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A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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The vast oversupply of talent has gotten so large employers can’t even be bothered to read resumes anymore: Ai will. This is what happens when ever larger percentage of society gets more and more degrees

If there's an oversupply of talent in tech then are H1Bs no longer being awarded?

Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent.

I'm honestly curious how both can be true. Who's lying, or is it simply unwillingness to train local talent?

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At Google machine learning was was always used for vetting the 100k+ applications per year that the HR team just doesn't have time to go through. The main goal was to filter people who have the biggest chance to go through the human interviews later in the process. The only reason why it's called ,,AI'' now is because it's trendy. It can be just a simple linear model that takes education (University) and GPA score in…

I wonder why ultra-elite companies like Google don't swap to a model where they reach out to people they want to hire, rather than accepting random applications?

They reach out to people regularly based on their GitHub profile for example.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At Google machine learning was was always used for vetting the 100k+ applications per year that the HR team just doesn't have time to go through. The main goal was to filter people who have the biggest chance to go through the human interviews later in the process. The only reason why it's called ,,AI'' now is because it's trendy. It can be just a simple linear model that takes education (University) and GPA score in…

I wonder why ultra-elite companies like Google don't swap to a model where they reach out to people they want to hire, rather than accepting random applications?

They do reach out to people they want to urge to apply; the set of people they "want to hire" is pretty small.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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post #7

The vast oversupply of talent has gotten so large employers can’t even be bothered to read resumes anymore: Ai will. This is what happens when ever larger percentage of society gets more and more degrees

If there's an oversupply of talent in tech then are H1Bs no longer being awarded? Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent. I'm honestly curious how both can be true. Who's lying, or is it simply unwillingness to train local talent?

> Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent.

> I'm honestly curious how both can be true.

There's an overwhelming number of applicants. That says nothing about their qualifications.

I don't know what Big Tech's numbers look like, but when I did hiring, the percentage of applicants that were even remotely qualified was usually in the single digits.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At Google machine learning was was always used for vetting the 100k+ applications per year that the HR team just doesn't have time to go through. The main goal was to filter people who have the biggest chance to go through the human interviews later in the process. The only reason why it's called ,,AI'' now is because it's trendy. It can be just a simple linear model that takes education (University) and GPA score in…

I wonder why ultra-elite companies like Google don't swap to a model where they reach out to people they want to hire, rather than accepting random applications?

Google employees a team of recruiters to do exactly this.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's an oversupply of talent in tech then are H1Bs no longer being awarded? Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent. I'm honestly curious how both can be true. Who's lying, or is it simply unwillingness to train local talent?

> Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent. > I'm honestly curious how both can be true. There's an overwhelming number of applicants. That says nothing about their qualifications. I don't know what Big Tech's numbers look like, but when I did hiring, the percentage of applicants that were even remotely qualified was usually i…

Sounds like an education/ training problem then?

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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This has got to be a fake. The only way AI would be able to make any sort of correct judgment about someone's probable future performance is if it had some training set of data of employees who had their interviews recorded and who were known to be bad in some way. However, it's still a massive leap in logic to be able to correlate anything an AI could observe to some tangibly bad behavior later on. I'm thinking the…

Google and other large tech giants have been working on precisely that sort of AI with those types of data for at least 10 years now. They are famous for tinkering with their hiring process based on mountains of data, with mostly bad results. Which aspect do you find farfetched?

I don't buy that the training set is any good.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At Google machine learning was was always used for vetting the 100k+ applications per year that the HR team just doesn't have time to go through. The main goal was to filter people who have the biggest chance to go through the human interviews later in the process. The only reason why it's called ,,AI'' now is because it's trendy. It can be just a simple linear model that takes education (University) and GPA score in…

I wonder why ultra-elite companies like Google don't swap to a model where they reach out to people they want to hire, rather than accepting random applications?

There was a specific class action law suit about it actually: a no poach agreement between top big tech companies, to keep salaries lower.

After the law suit my salary was increased 10% at Google, although I didn’t even work in US :)

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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post #11
post #7

The vast oversupply of talent has gotten so large employers can’t even be bothered to read resumes anymore: Ai will. This is what happens when ever larger percentage of society gets more and more degrees

If there's an oversupply of talent in tech then are H1Bs no longer being awarded? Seems like a constant gripe about talent shortages but then conflicting stories about how to filter an overwhelming supply of talent. I'm honestly curious how both can be true. Who's lying, or is it simply unwillingness to train local talent?

Related:

https://elaineou.com/2017/03/10/technical-interviews-from-th...

> 2. A bill for 5 typewriter ribbons and 24 pencils totalled $9.85. If a typewriter ribbon costs $1.25, what is the price of a dozen pencils?

> The IBM Programmer Aptitude Test is from 1960 (? I think. It’s tough to read the date on the mimeograph). Is it just me or have technical interviews gotten much harder?

> I interviewed for a programmer job at Facebook several years ago, and one of the questions I got was, “Given a set of obstacle coordinates, write a function that finds the shortest path between two cells for a knight on a 3-D chessboard while avoiding the obstacles.”

> I remember this question because it was one of the few that I managed to solve. Probably a half-dozen others ended in fumbles. Not surprisingly, Facebook didn’t give me an offer.

https://elaineou.com/2017/08/26/the-mystery-of-the-vanishing...

> Some time ago, we compared technical interviews from the 1960s to those of today: They’ve gotten much, much harder. I suggested that the last few decades of lax immigration have invited overseas talent to raise the bar – it was unfounded speculation at the time, but some number crunching shows it might be true.

> According to this Joint Venture Silicon Valley report, 74% of Silicon Valley tech workers are foreign-born immigrants. A decade ago, 36% of Silicon Valley tech workers were born abroad. In 2000, only 29% were.

> Tech industry employment has increased from about 300,000 jobs in 2007 to 400,000 in 2016, so even though we created 100,000 engineering positions in the last decade, we’ve also displaced 88,000 domestic engineers.

I'm suddenly curious what other fields are staffed by 74% foreign-born immigrants.

Re: A new obstacle to landing a job after college: getting approved by AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why ultra-elite companies like Google don't swap to a model where they reach out to people they want to hire, rather than accepting random applications?

There was a specific class action law suit about it actually: a no poach agreement between top big tech companies, to keep salaries lower. After the law suit my salary was increased 10% at Google, although I didn’t even work in US :)

I think no-poach applied the same weather you applied or they reached out to you, so it’s not that.
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