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Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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Enjoyed the article. Thanks for write up. 4GB RAM sounds terrible even for browsing and basic tasks. I'm looking to switching to one of those devices in future, so far on trusted Thinkpad x230 (no FHD, $150 USD) for travel purposes. Can anyone comment on "no NPM yet that I know of though" ? Does node development work normally ?

Typing this on a 2GB Thinkpad T42p which seems to work just fine for browsing and basic tasks - and then some.

Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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If anybody wants one of these in like-new condition with an ISO keyboard, I'll sell you mine (I'm American, ordered the ISO keyboard by mistake :/ )

I wonder if the keyboard is of some off-the-shelf type that can be purchased as a replacement?

I mean, there's first party parts for the pinebook at https://store.pine64.org/?product_cat=pinebook-spare-parts - although I'm pretty sure the pro is different. I'm surprised that they don't seem to have pro parts up (yet?)

Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using a reasonable OS (Linux etc), 4GB is absolutely fine for browsing and basic tasks, and indeed is often fine for development and other more-than-basic tasks as well, depending on how exactly you work (Emacs/Vim instead of an IDE, for instance). Is 4GB considered too little under Windows these days?

It amazes me no end that when I turned 18 I was contracted to work on a Cray J90 with a staggering 128 Mwords of RAM at a financial institution, and that today 4GB is considered tight for running a consumer OS with a browser with more than a few tabs open. I really cannot fathom what could possibly require so much memory. It’s just taking some hypertext markup, some scripts, and rendering a web-page. I genuinely do n…

Abstraction upon abstraction running containers inside VMs, basically turtles all the way down.

Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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I've been tempted by these as semi-destructible machines for my young kids to cut their teeth on. The oldest has a Chromebook but reinstalled with GalliumOS which has been perfectly adequate so far. I'd be intrigued to see a direct comparison between these as two ultra-cheap Linux options.

A second-hand Thinkpad 11e might be a better option. They are designed from the get go for the education market (looks like some schools buy them in bulk), and are very sturdy. But can be had for pretty cheap on eBay in used condition, and it's just a regular Intel laptop with hardware that's all Linux-compatible.

Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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This is a tad tangential but has anyone done extensive software development using an ARM device? I was able to get pretty far with a rooted Samsung tablet running Debian in a container (C++ development works great, you can install stuff like VSCode and Clang without too much trouble) but when it came to anything mobile, ironically it all fell apart because the Android toolchain isn't built for ARM64 (save the one in…

I've done some web development work on my raspberry pi 4. It's almost there, but even using vim, some things are still too slow (I do primarily front-end development). 4gb of RAM means I can't have a ton of things going on, but it's easily enough for back-end, webpack, editor, and a handful of tabs without much issue. Now, there are some CPU differences here. 3399 has 2 A72 cores at 2GHz and 4 A53 cores at 1.5GHz. Th…

I would take 4xA72 over 2xA72+4xA53 any time. Heterogeneous systems are annoying. Linux probably has some fancy scheduler settings to prefer fast cores (??) but FreeBSD will happily schedule compile jobs onto the slow-ass A53 cores when the A72s are idle, which is annoying.

UPD: NetBSD prefers fast cores now: https://twitter.com/mrgtwentythree/status/121661988693740339...

4xA72@2GHz is not bad for web development (I have that on my MACCHIATObin), the thing with the RPi4 is that it has worse RAM and I/O. SD cards are garbage and you really only have USB3 to share between everything else. Having native SATA makes everything better :)

Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to [0] the limit in the US is 100Wh, so you could fit a battery that is three times bigger (assuming 3.3V). I don't know what the relevant numbers are elsewhere. [0] https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/...

Actually it doesn't ban them, it just says that you don't need any special approval if you have less than two 100Wh batteries. Which is odd, because most people have more than two batteries if your counting batteries contained in devices like laptops/cellphones/etc. This regulation seems to apply only to standalone batteries. For context 100Wh is only about 2x most normal laptops. A few systems with secondary batteri…

The 16 inch MacBook Pro has 99.8Wh battery...

Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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An "annoying touchpad" is likely a dealbreaker for me. It's the holy grail for Linux to me and I feel like it's never been solved by anybody but Apple (w/o Linux). That being said, I could exist in the command line most of the time...

Apple's touchpads are nothing special, at least these days where you can easily get a high quality touchpad on pretty much anything but the cheapest laptops available. It's actually how macOS handles touchpads that makes them feel special. However, apparently Pinebook's one is actually pretty problematic and needs some firmware updates to work better.

the subtle attention to detail apple applies to their trackpad makes it almost magical.

I don't even notice the apple trackpad when I'm using it. Others, I do notice.

Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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The really nice thing is that the RK3399, while an old and not particularly fast ARM, has almost entirely open documentation. A bit of googling should land both parts of the TRM, which covers every bit of the SOC's registers and devices minus the Mali.

The follow-on RK3588 announced last year with 4x A76's (and 4x A55s) in 8nm should completely crush the RK3399 performance wise. If it comes with open documentation too, it could be a killer hacker chip this year.

(just to add to that) The RK3399 has 2x A72's with a peak frequency of 2Ghz and 4 A53's. The RPi's 4x A72s easily run at 2Ghz as well, given a heatsink. For most workloads the much faster A72s are a big advantage over the A53s.

Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using a reasonable OS (Linux etc), 4GB is absolutely fine for browsing and basic tasks, and indeed is often fine for development and other more-than-basic tasks as well, depending on how exactly you work (Emacs/Vim instead of an IDE, for instance). Is 4GB considered too little under Windows these days?

It amazes me no end that when I turned 18 I was contracted to work on a Cray J90 with a staggering 128 Mwords of RAM at a financial institution, and that today 4GB is considered tight for running a consumer OS with a browser with more than a few tabs open. I really cannot fathom what could possibly require so much memory. It’s just taking some hypertext markup, some scripts, and rendering a web-page. I genuinely do n…

and I think back to the old B6700 ... for which we bought 1.5Mb of core (yes, actual hand threaded core) for $1M in the late 70s ..... it supported 40 terminals

Re: Trying out the Pinebook Pro – a $200 ARM Laptop

#110
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to [0] the limit in the US is 100Wh, so you could fit a battery that is three times bigger (assuming 3.3V). I don't know what the relevant numbers are elsewhere. [0] https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/...

Actually it doesn't ban them, it just says that you don't need any special approval if you have less than two 100Wh batteries. Which is odd, because most people have more than two batteries if your counting batteries contained in devices like laptops/cellphones/etc. This regulation seems to apply only to standalone batteries. For context 100Wh is only about 2x most normal laptops. A few systems with secondary batteri…

The link says that only batteries above 100Wh count against the 2 battery limit. There doesn't seem to be any limit to smaller batteries.
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