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Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by hobofan »

mrunkel wrote: post #5

Removing the repos seems to be a bit much especially since he is planning on making them private and then deleting them. Why not just leave them in place if you're burned out and see if anyone is willing to take over maintainership. Given, I don't know the history, but I always feel a bit of pain when code gets lost or destroyed in the heat of the moment.

> Why not just leave them in place if you're burned out and see if anyone is willing to take over maintainership.

Because a proper hand-off is also a lot of work, which continues the burn-out and the chances of a new maintainer stepping in are slim-to-none (there were already attempts to find one after the last "actix unsafe discussion").

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by sophacles »

KirinDave wrote: post #232
Touche wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He held the door open for a lot of people. Some people spit at him as they walked through. He doesn't want to hold the door open any more, he's done it enough. He didn't sign up to be a doorman for life.

This idea that replacing unsafe code with safe code is "spitting" is unhealthy in the extreme. I don't understand why the author felt so defensive about accepting packages. As far as I can tell, they've always had this attitude. Why even make a project open source if you don't want to consider patches? The whole idea is that even if you think a thing is boring, someone else may not and they'll do that work for the co…

> Why even make a project open source if you don't want to consider patches? The whole idea is that even if you think a thing is boring, someone else may not and they'll do that work for the community.

This is a false dilemma - making a project open source can have plenty of motivations besides "I want to be a project manager for free!". Some other motivations:

* Someone may find this useful even if I don't ever touch it again.

* This could show others an example of a different way to solve a problem.

* This is cool, look what I did!

* Github is a free host, and there's no reason to keep this private.

* I just need some code I wrote in a public place for hiring managers to peruse.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by dyeje »

The entitlement in this thread is astounding. Don't like how the project is maintained? Fork it. If you don't have anything nice to say to the person who gave you the code _for free_, then just don't say anything at all.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by hobofan »

teddyuk wrote: post #14
ealexhudson wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like the maintainer writes a lot of code using rust's "unsafe" keyword, and regularly gets issues raised about this (and versioning, and some other bits). This last issue, which included a patch, has pushed them over the edge after it descended into disagreement. Net/net they were repeatedly asked to change coding style, didn't want to, and have decided it's better to just avoid the arguments by not publishing…

The maintainer can choose whatever style they damn well please, if you don't like it don't use it. What is hard about this?

Civility, apparently.

Some people just never "grow up" and/or learn how to treat people with respect, and developers are not special in that regard.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by ww520 »

Good for him to make a stand!

I can completely understand how he felt. Similar things happened to my open source projects, admittedly at a smaller scale. Users became so entitled to open source software and became hostile. Well, i nipped the problems at the bud by moving the projects off open source license. There were a few people crying foul and vowed not to use it. Fine. I respected their choices, and let's move our separate way.

There're requests to open source and hand the projects to someone else. No. I want to maintain control of the project development and direction, like directors wanting to maintain artistic control over their movies. If someone is so fired up, they can always write their own open source software.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by hardbop200 »

teddyh wrote: post #23
tsukurimashou wrote: post #11

"Ok... So that was unprofessional. If you don't want to maintain a project anymore, you give it to someone else and link to that repo in your README. This just screwed me over big time." https://github.com/actix/actix-web/issues/1#issuecomment-575... These kind of entitled attitude is probably exactly why the guy just removed everything. More details / discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/epszt7/ac…

> These kind of entitled attitude If you offer code to the public – and present it as an active, dependable project – professional behavior is exactly what you implicitly promise and signed up for . If you can’t offer that (at any time, and for any reason), then you should immediately make that clear, front-and-center, to any current and future users. It isn’t “entitlement” on part of the users – the users are making…

> you should immediately make that clear, front-and-center, to any current and future users.

like, for example, in a license file?

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by Sachaniman »

mabbo wrote: post #119
geofft wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absolutely correct that people don't have obligations simply by putting some code online. But they do have obligations when they start telling people to use their code. We understand this as humans even in realms far from open source: if I see you approaching a door, I am under no obligation to open it just because I'm physically able to, but if I open a door for you, I'd better hold it until you're finished wal…

> if I see you approaching a door, I am under no obligation to open it just because I'm physically able to, but if I open a door for you, I'd better hold it until you're finished walking through, or I'm a jerk. By holding the door open, I've made an implicit promise that I'm not going to close it on you. This reminds me of an incident years ago. I was on a city bus, very full of people, and we were just about to leav…

Well put!

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by drclau »

dyeje wrote: post #244

The entitlement in this thread is astounding. Don't like how the project is maintained? Fork it. If you don't have anything nice to say to the person who gave you the code _for free_, then just don't say anything at all.

The repo currently contains a single README.md.

https://github.com/actix/actix-web

Edit: I was not aware he moved it under his personal github account and it’s still accessible. Nonetheless, I still think removing it is a bit extreme.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by AzzieElbab »

ww520 wrote: post #246

Good for him to make a stand! I can completely understand how he felt. Similar things happened to my open source projects, admittedly at a smaller scale. Users became so entitled to open source software and became hostile. Well, i nipped the problems at the bud by moving the projects off open source license. There were a few people crying foul and vowed not to use it. Fine. I respected their choices, and let's move o…

would you have declined a patch that fixes a real problem because it is boring? i do not really get that kind of thinking either. personally i would have accepted it and replaced with something clever latter on
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