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Vaping-related lung injuries primarily linked to black-market products

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Post by viklove »

420basteit wrote: post #47
dingbats wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Burning carbon chains and directly afterwards ingesting it into the lungs has been proven to be quite bad, it does cell and tissue damage and hinders a healthy cell respiration. Is there any reason we should expect worse effects from vaping which, as I understand it, if done correctly doesn't produce harmful carbons?

There is reason to consider this a possibility, since many molecules may be potentially harmful when inhaled as vapor, with unknown health effects (ie vitamin E acetate), but under combustion would deteriorate mostly or entirely into the carbon forms that have well understood effect on health -- as a previous commenter mentioned, 10yr lifespan reduction from long term continuous cigarette use. There is just not longi…

> with unknown health effects (ie vitamin E acetate)

The effects of Vitamin E Acetate is actually well known and thoroughly documented. It's just that these black-market producers don't care.

Re: Vaping-related lung injuries primarily linked to black-market products

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Post by grawprog »

Gatsky wrote: post #73
SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #71

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> Why should the FDA use up government resources to regulate vaping? Precisely because people are putting adulterants in black market cartridges. > however much joy everybody gets from vaping and blowing smoke in the future, it isn’t ever going to be worth 50 dead people. However much joy everybody gets from swimming in a pool, it isn't ever going to be worth 3,536 dead people. If you're advocating for banning vaping…

That’s correct, we should ban the ability to profit from selling harmful products. The swimming pool analogy is completely off base. You are supposing that prohibition won’t work. But it is the easiest and cheapest approach. All the problems with prohibition apply equally to regulation, but with much greater complexity and cost. Eg there will still be a black market for cheap unregulated vape juice, just like there i…

>That’s correct, we should ban the ability to profit from selling harmful products.

Can't tell of this is actually serious or not. There are so many products that can cause harm you might as well just make a whitelist of allowed products at that point.

>You are supposing that prohibition won’t work. But it is the easiest and cheapest approach.

Yet it's never worked and always just created dangerous unregulated black markets that causes more deaths and health issues than regulation and as far as cheapest, I think you're forgetting the cost of enforcement of prohibition.

Re: Vaping-related lung injuries primarily linked to black-market products

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Post by eru »

berbec wrote: post #68
eru wrote: post #63

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It's very hard to addict anyone to nicotine. Basically, doesn't really happen all that much. Cigarettes on the other hand are highly addictive. There's lots more in their smoke than just nicotine. See https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine for more than you ever wanted to know.

I respectfully disagree. I was easily able to switch from cigarettes to vaping, but every time I stop vaping I get withdrawal.

How does the withdrawal look like?

I was quoting the research quoted by Gwern here.

Re: Vaping-related lung injuries primarily linked to black-market products

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Post by berbec »

eru wrote: post #83
berbec wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respectfully disagree. I was easily able to switch from cigarettes to vaping, but every time I stop vaping I get withdrawal.

How does the withdrawal look like? I was quoting the research quoted by Gwern here.

Sweats, nervousness, anxiety.
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