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Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Let's see 1. Hire someone from Microsoft to run the company 2. He says "our platform is burning, we have to do something drastic" which most people interpret as "prepare to come up with a strategy and fight like hell to win". 3. Guess what, he already had something in mind! It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". And piss o…

Marsh, these appear to be people walking off the job because Nokia management is insufficiently nurturing to Symbian. How much sympathy can you muster for people protesting on behalf of Symbian?

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Let's see 1. Hire someone from Microsoft to run the company 2. He says "our platform is burning, we have to do something drastic" which most people interpret as "prepare to come up with a strategy and fight like hell to win". 3. Guess what, he already had something in mind! It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". And piss o…

>1. Hire someone from Microsoft to run the company Except, he was only at Microsoft a year and a half and before that he was with Juniper Networks and before that with Adobe Systems. What I mean is, he knows more about Microsoft and how their offerings might fit in at Nokia (than say an OS by a company he's not familiar with), but it's a stretch to couch it as if he was an old time Microsoft employee who is going to…

Such a short service could equally well be explained by a concerted “takeover” effort.

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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post #69

Does this remind anyone else of SGI? - Total domination of their own field - Resting on laurels while others snatch the market from under them - Panic - Get a CEO from Microsoft - CEO quickly decides that the O/S developed in house is not worth maintaining. And that the right O/S is no other than Microsoft's offering - Company continues dive to irrelevance, albeit at a much faster rate than before Well, the last one…

Goodbye old Nokia. You will be missed.

By whom? The old Nokia was a terrible software company, with so many abject failures at creating platforms (Symbian, N-Gage, Ovi, etc.) that I don't think anyone else in this business can compare.

It's a good thing that they're getting out of software and concentrating on stuff they're actually good at.

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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post #103
post #69

Does this remind anyone else of SGI? - Total domination of their own field - Resting on laurels while others snatch the market from under them - Panic - Get a CEO from Microsoft - CEO quickly decides that the O/S developed in house is not worth maintaining. And that the right O/S is no other than Microsoft's offering - Company continues dive to irrelevance, albeit at a much faster rate than before Well, the last one…

Goodbye old Nokia. You will be missed. By whom? The old Nokia was a terrible software company, with so many abject failures at creating platforms (Symbian, N-Gage, Ovi, etc.) that I don't think anyone else in this business can compare. It's a good thing that they're getting out of software and concentrating on stuff they're actually good at.

Symbian was not a failure... it was a giant succes for quite a long time. That's like calling MS-DOS a failure.

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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post #45
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Let's see 1. Hire someone from Microsoft to run the company 2. He says "our platform is burning, we have to do something drastic" which most people interpret as "prepare to come up with a strategy and fight like hell to win". 3. Guess what, he already had something in mind! It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". And piss o…

It's amazing how hyperbolic people are being about this, presumably out of blind Microsoft hatred. Pretty much everyone agreed that Nokia's Symbian/MeeGo strategy was a failure, that Nokia were quickly losing marketshare and that they needed a new OS. The only options were Android and Windows Phone 7. WebOS would have been a better fit than either, but that option had already been and gone. I think there are compelli…

I am surprised that not many people are excited about this deal. I have only heard good things about WP7 so far and things will definitely improve as the platform matures. I don't understand why people have already labeled it as a failed platform.

People are also saying that the deal is only beneficial to Microsoft. The two real choices Nokia had were Android and WP7. WP7 seems like a more sensible choice to me. Sure they will have to sacrifice things, but they might gain overall. I think Microsoft and Nokia together make a killer combination that is going to help both these companies to bounce back in the mobile arena.

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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post #45
post #9

Let's see 1. Hire someone from Microsoft to run the company 2. He says "our platform is burning, we have to do something drastic" which most people interpret as "prepare to come up with a strategy and fight like hell to win". 3. Guess what, he already had something in mind! It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". And piss o…

It's amazing how hyperbolic people are being about this, presumably out of blind Microsoft hatred. Pretty much everyone agreed that Nokia's Symbian/MeeGo strategy was a failure, that Nokia were quickly losing marketshare and that they needed a new OS. The only options were Android and Windows Phone 7. WebOS would have been a better fit than either, but that option had already been and gone. I think there are compelli…

Maybe there were compelling technical reasons and good licensing terms that lead Nokia to choose WP7 over Android.

But if a person is leading a company, they might perhaps consider the psychological impact of their decisions along side with technical and market factors. I mean, his job is to make money - not to make decisions that "would have worked if it hadn't been for those pesky workers" (unless the intent was to gut the company from the get-go - though I doubt that would leave more money in the end either).

Desperate measures were needed. But I don't think I'm alone in feeling depressed that the desperate measures seem involve a move back toward proprietary systems (even if my only involvement with Nokia has been using the excellent QT library).

If, assuming, your aim to get some value out of a company - get some value out of the technical teams that exist in the company, one assumes that one needs to keep the morale of that company at a certain level. And giving the impression that you're gutting everything the company stood-for seems like a not-terribly-effective approach here even if Nokia's internal process was broken.

If you're the underdog, being able to claim you are "fighting for good" is psychologically useful. If Nokia had gone with android, one might be able to believe they'd bring some open source "chops" to the table.

Again, my experience is programmers are willing to work to fix a broken - if they feel like the company if offering them loyalty. Obviously, today's announcement didn't make Nokia's workers feel that was happening.

Nokia's stock dropped a bit after this, btw.

Better link to the story also: http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Microsoft-is-the-p...

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goodbye old Nokia. You will be missed. By whom? The old Nokia was a terrible software company, with so many abject failures at creating platforms (Symbian, N-Gage, Ovi, etc.) that I don't think anyone else in this business can compare. It's a good thing that they're getting out of software and concentrating on stuff they're actually good at.

Symbian was not a failure... it was a giant succes for quite a long time. That's like calling MS-DOS a failure.

yes but MS-DOS was followed up by windows 3.1 and then windows 95 both of which were a huge success. What followed up symbian was not. I think this is very sensible for them to focus on hardware while let somebody else do the software. Though I must agree their choice of MSFT is startling. I expected them to fragment Android even further. Glad that didn't happen.

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Let's see 1. Hire someone from Microsoft to run the company 2. He says "our platform is burning, we have to do something drastic" which most people interpret as "prepare to come up with a strategy and fight like hell to win". 3. Guess what, he already had something in mind! It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". And piss o…

It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". Reasonably successful? I dare you to name one single Nokia-phone made the last half decade which you would consider relevant. The truth is that platform-wise and software-wise, the bits you interact with, they've been stagnant since around 2000 and no amount of megapixels or Carl Zeis…

Nokia sells LOTS of phones. You've got to remember than not everyone lives in the Bay Area and has a Twitter account... People living in Sub-saharan Africa and central Asia still need cell phones and the majority can't afford some flashing thing with a touch-screen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_pho...

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nokia had been moving towards an open-source culture. Those are the types they've attracted the last several years. This is a very radical departure from their previous path.

Yup, I started liking Nokia again because of their Maemo/Meego engagement. I'm an iOS developer but in private I use a Maemo phone (the N900) which fulfills my geek needs. I hoped for a cool N900 successor with a cap. touch screen and a little more power but ... well ... I guess Nokia will make something half assed. Meego phones (which run a real linux - not closed bullshit like android) would have been an awesome al…

Hear hear. An open O/S for my phone named the same as a Lovecraftian monster...

I was starting to read the Qt docs, Gnome/Mac user and all. :-(

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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post #103
post #69

Does this remind anyone else of SGI? - Total domination of their own field - Resting on laurels while others snatch the market from under them - Panic - Get a CEO from Microsoft - CEO quickly decides that the O/S developed in house is not worth maintaining. And that the right O/S is no other than Microsoft's offering - Company continues dive to irrelevance, albeit at a much faster rate than before Well, the last one…

Goodbye old Nokia. You will be missed. By whom? The old Nokia was a terrible software company, with so many abject failures at creating platforms (Symbian, N-Gage, Ovi, etc.) that I don't think anyone else in this business can compare. It's a good thing that they're getting out of software and concentrating on stuff they're actually good at.

QT is great. Even if Nokia simply bought it, they've so far done a good job enhancing it.
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