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U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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post #168

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> Technologists live in a world of negative unemployment Just wait until you turn 50...

Do you have any recommendations for someone earlier in their career (<50 yo) to avoid or minimize ageism? Go into management? Be prepared to pick a new career?

Government and DoD contractors usually run older than commercial companies- you won't get close to SV level compensation, but it can be a good way to move to a lower cost-of-living area.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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That makes no sense.

The thinking behind "as long as people think it will crash, it won't crash" is as follows... 1) most people thinking that a crash is near means that they view the stock market to be overpriced. 2) this means they won't buy as much and inflate prices even further. in fact, many may start to sell. 3) this will tend to limit price increases and may even depress the markets a bit 4) Thus, while there may be a decline if…

Or alternatively:

3) this will cause prices to start dropping, which increases uncertainty, and causes additional sells.

4) thus we enter a loop where uncertainty increases, which causes more selling, which causes price decreases, and the market crashes.

Market prices are largely a function of market confidence. If confidence erodes, so does the market. It's how bubbles burst.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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Do you have any recommendations for someone earlier in their career (<50 yo) to avoid or minimize ageism? Go into management? Be prepared to pick a new career?

Yea going into management is the best bet. Its a "controversial" topic on HN because large swathes of ppl here here believe #IC4Lyfe is a good career move. Its not.

I think it's important to let people know that there are fewer managers than workers. (At least, if a company is doing things correctly there are fewer management positions.) This means that not everyone will be able to make this transition even if you have the appropriate skills and disposition. Furthermore, if you look around a lot of tech companies, you'll notice that most of the managerial staff is Basically, don't bank everything on going into management. Be financially responsible. Live beneath your means. Explore other pass times and activities that you may have an interest in pursuing in the future. The worst thing you can do is arrive at 40 or 45 with a Plan A that may not work out and no Plan B or C.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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post #124

Unemployment drops during an expansion, then rises heading into a recession. It turns out you can quantify this relationship as a recession predictor: > According to LaVorgna, since 1948, the economy has always entered or been in a recession when the unemployment rate increases 50 basis points (or 0.50 percentage point) from its trailing cyclical low. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/20/a-recession-indicator-with-a... Ta…

If it is 12 to 18 months away it will happen just after the election this winter. That will be fun.

Alternatively timed perfectly to let the Republicans hammer the Democrats if they win all the way until 2024.

I'm pretty convinced the Democrats will be toast as a party by 2030 once they get saddled with imploding the economy by no fault of their own other than bad timing.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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Add in the bad monetary policy that has Fortune 500 companies borrowing money at 0% to buyback stocks. Then the Democrats are going to want to rollback the Trump tax cuts and that will be the beginning. However, I think we need a bad recession or pop to bring things back to normal instead of just easing the pressure slightly. Otherwise the real crash will be even bigger.

I hope it’s a pop and soon or the eventual fall will be closer to a depression in the old school sense.

Why? That seems like it would cause a lot of very oor people to suffer even more.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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post #124

Unemployment drops during an expansion, then rises heading into a recession. It turns out you can quantify this relationship as a recession predictor: > According to LaVorgna, since 1948, the economy has always entered or been in a recession when the unemployment rate increases 50 basis points (or 0.50 percentage point) from its trailing cyclical low. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/20/a-recession-indicator-with-a... Ta…

HN comments are like ZeroHedge -- we've predicted 14 of the past 2 recessions.

I'd love to see someone do an analysis of "recession almost here" posts on ZeroHedge over time. There are probably at least one per day for the past decade.

My prediction - someone's guess will turn out to be right and they'll be the new investing star for the coming decade.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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Indeed, "what are pension funds"? I don't have a pension. No one I know personally has a pensions. The younger or non-tech people I know have little to none in their 401k.

No one in tech has a pension.

ITT: Americans, Americans everywhere.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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post #168

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Do you have any recommendations for someone earlier in their career (<50 yo) to avoid or minimize ageism? Go into management? Be prepared to pick a new career?

Seriously, your best bet (and the advice I would give my 20-something year old self) is to SAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. And then save more than that. Try to be financially independent by 50. If you can do that then you won't have to worry about ageism. You'll be able to be picky about the kinds of jobs you take. From a practical standpoint that means don't buy status symbol products (cars, fancy phones, et…

I'm in a similar spot. As enticing as a Tesla Model 3 Performance edition might be, my '00 civic with 220k miles, no heater, and a head gasket problem still gets me to work every day, and I have all the cash I need to replace it the day it dies. My wife and I are in our early 30s and our mortgage payment is less than most of our friends pay to rent a single room because we worked and saved through college.

When I buy something nicer than I truly need for a hobby such as a Mountain Bike, I wait for a great price on a fixer-upper, perform the maintenance it needs, and enjoy it without getting attached, while at the same time putting it back up for sale at a higher price in case someone wants it more than I do. 9 times out of 10 the item will sell in a few months, and oddly enough I've met some incredibly interesting people who wanted properly restored items, such as a tie-dye founder whose been in business for over 50 years and an SVP at Cisco who's in charge of a product I had been using daily for years.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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post #124

Unemployment drops during an expansion, then rises heading into a recession. It turns out you can quantify this relationship as a recession predictor: > According to LaVorgna, since 1948, the economy has always entered or been in a recession when the unemployment rate increases 50 basis points (or 0.50 percentage point) from its trailing cyclical low. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/20/a-recession-indicator-with-a... Ta…

It's not certain that the drop in job openings will _quickly_ turn into loss of jobs, i.e. TFA also says "layoffs rate dipped to 1.1% from 1.2%".

Also, the yield curve inversion is a strong indicator, but not a perfect one, and some of the recessions it indicated happened as far as 34 months out (according to some Credit Suisse report I can't really find anymore).

We're sure to hit a recession at some point, but it's really hard to guess when.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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post #168

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> Technologists live in a world of negative unemployment Just wait until you turn 50...

Do you have any recommendations for someone earlier in their career (<50 yo) to avoid or minimize ageism? Go into management? Be prepared to pick a new career?

I'm mid 50s, I keep learning. If you are a programmer who can't find work, well first let me say that would be horrible. It's unacceptable, it should never happen, yet reports keep happening. I haven't seen it in my career, I'm sure I'm fortunate in many ways.

I'm guessing that for people this happens to, it's a combination of being in a place with not many tech jobs and also not keeping up with technology. Can you do cloud tech (aws, google cloud, azure?), c++, java, js, protobuffers? None of these technologies were invented when I got my BS in CS many many years ago and I've been learning continuously. Sure there were similar things or building blocks toward this kind of stuff. My last job search was a couple of years ago, I had 3 offers and stopped interviewing and I'm not unusual in my experience (going back to the above comment about negative employment in software engineering). I'm in the Seattle area. At the company I joined a few months ago half our small team of engineers are 45+. We just hired someone past 60 as a dev.

If you find yourself in this situation, all these technologies are available to try for free on the internet, you can teach yourself. Companies that won't hire older people are just stupid, on top of being illegal.

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