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U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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They don't give an opinion on if this is negative or positive.

What news they choose to make News is an opinion.

They chase demand. Ideas exist in a market place. I wouldn't expect "Everything is great, No problems here, Weekly" to sell many copies.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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Except, of course, as people are finally starting to notice and point out, high stocks only benefit the top 10% of society, and are a useless indicator for the vast majority, who have little to no holdings.

Ummm what are pension funds?

Less than 13% of US private sector workers participate in pensions plans[0].

[0]https://www.pensionrights.org/publications/statistic/how-man...

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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A coworker told me he thinks as long as people think it might crash it won’t crash.

That makes no sense.

The thinking behind "as long as people think it will crash, it won't crash" is as follows...

1) most people thinking that a crash is near means that they view the stock market to be overpriced.

2) this means they won't buy as much and inflate prices even further. in fact, many may start to sell.

3) this will tend to limit price increases and may even depress the markets a bit

4) Thus, while there may be a decline if economic conditions turn sour, there's a lower likelihood of a "crash" (large drop from current prices).

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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I actually kinda want the stock market to crash although all of my money is in it. At least we'd all stop worrying about when it's gonna crash once it has and move on with our lives :)

A coworker told me he thinks as long as people think it might crash it won’t crash.

In 1987 before the crash the market was already down substantially and people were worried it could get worse. So, I'm going to disagree. I think it is true that the market can keep going up as people think it will crash because they keep shorting the market and getting squeezed which propels the market even higher.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.nr0.htm : > The number of job openings fell to 6.8 million (-561,000) on the last business day of November, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Over the month, hires and separations were little changed at 5.8 million and 5.6 million, respectively. Within separations, the quits rate was unchanged at 2.3 percent and the layoffs and discharges rate was little change…

If I read this correctly it suggests that these weren't jobs filled by unemployed people. More like they are no longer needed.

Trying to glean rationale of a large and diverse group of firms is difficult. I'm not sure I can arrive to that conclusion so easily. Can you explain your reasoning further? I am quite curious.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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They don't give an opinion on if this is negative or positive.

What news they choose to make News is an opinion.

Jobs reports are always covered by the major news outlets. I’ve literally been reading them for decades. Doesn’t matter who the president is.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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All 3 stock indexes record high opening. Consumer confidence 20 year high. Enormous USMCA trade deal finally passed by US Congress after the House sat on it for a year. Reuters just salivating over finding something they can spin as negative about the current economy.

Here's a little more sober analysis:

https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2020/01/bls-job-openings-...

By someone who has been following the jolts numbers for years.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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Indeed, "what are pension funds"? I don't have a pension. No one I know personally has a pensions. The younger or non-tech people I know have little to none in their 401k.

I entered the workforce about 10 years ago and I genuinely don't even know what a pension is. I know what a retirement plan is, and employer matching. I guess a pension is something different from that.

When people say "pension" at least in the US they usually mean a defined benefit retirement plan, i.e. you get $X/month based on salary and years of service starting at age Y.

By contrast, a 401(K) is a defined contribution plan. You put however much money in, maybe get matching, and you can take money out after a certain age based on how much you put in and how much it grew.

Defined benefit used to be a lot more common but it's become less so for a variety of reasons including tax law changes. Today you see them mostly in government jobs like teachers.

Re: U.S. job openings post biggest drop in more than four years

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All 3 stock indexes record high opening. Consumer confidence 20 year high. Enormous USMCA trade deal finally passed by US Congress after the House sat on it for a year. Reuters just salivating over finding something they can spin as negative about the current economy.

because the fed just pumped $2 trillion into the economy.
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