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Post by leon_ »

sjs wrote: post #16
davidw wrote: post #8

Whether it was Android, Microsoft, or slowly dying, people working there would be affected, so I'm not sure the choice of Microsoft changes things too much from that point of view. With Android, perhaps they could have kept more people on board to hack on it and customize it, but still, the axe was going to fall. Should be interesting to see how this is handled in Finland. Stock is down, layoffs, and some "arrogant f…

Nokia had been moving towards an open-source culture. Those are the types they've attracted the last several years. This is a very radical departure from their previous path.

Yup, I started liking Nokia again because of their Maemo/Meego engagement. I'm an iOS developer but in private I use a Maemo phone (the N900) which fulfills my geek needs.

I hoped for a cool N900 successor with a cap. touch screen and a little more power but ... well ... I guess Nokia will make something half assed.

Meego phones (which run a real linux - not closed bullshit like android) would have been an awesome alternative to iOS and Android. At least for the more geeky consumer. :/

Good bye, Nokia.

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Post by [deleted] »

beagle3 wrote: post #69

Does this remind anyone else of SGI? - Total domination of their own field - Resting on laurels while others snatch the market from under them - Panic - Get a CEO from Microsoft - CEO quickly decides that the O/S developed in house is not worth maintaining. And that the right O/S is no other than Microsoft's offering - Company continues dive to irrelevance, albeit at a much faster rate than before Well, the last one…

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Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Post by access_denied »

eiji wrote: post #60

Am I the only one happy that WP7 is NOT dead? I very much prefer a threesome! Every mobil user will benefit from this. And this is not like Desktop. Everybody will have to bring their A-Game.

And that's why it would be even better if Nokia would stick to one of their own OS. Let WP7 survive and compete, sure. But why at the cost of another contender?

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Post by joh6nn »

adolph wrote: post #82
joh6nn wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no. Apple bought Next, they didn't license tech from them. Nokia is licensing tech from MS. those are very different circumstances indeed.

What part of "Apple bought Next" did you not read?

i read it, and commented on why that was the important factor, as opposed to licensing. and i did so without copping an attitude.

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Post by bigB »

I guess its a ballsy move, but it was much needed. Going with Android would have killed Nokia anyhow as they would be just another face in the already crap filled Android market ( and before anyone shoots me down, for every decent Android handset out there, there are 3 other really crappy ones)

Think about it though, what do they have to lose. The company was dying rapidly, There are relatively few WP7 products on the market, so they can stand out in the crowd, Microsoft have absolutely 0 to lose and everything to gain as Nokia may just pull this off.

But then again, I actually thought that Paul Thurrot had a good idea when he suggested that Microsoft and Nokia merge. Its not quite a merger but if this move actually works I think a merger is in the future.

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Post by elpuri »

marshray wrote: post #73
shareme wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reasonably successful? Losing 40%points in market share is success? I am of course talking about the full Symbian time line not just currently

I don't follow the exact numbers, but my impression was that there were a hell of a lot of Nokia phones running Nokia OSes sold in world. Do you have a source handy? It would be interesting to see how Nokia's market penetration (however declining it may be) compared to Microsoft's.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1543014

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Post by DanI-S »

halo wrote: post #45
marshray wrote: post #9

Let's see 1. Hire someone from Microsoft to run the company 2. He says "our platform is burning, we have to do something drastic" which most people interpret as "prepare to come up with a strategy and fight like hell to win". 3. Guess what, he already had something in mind! It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". And piss o…

It's amazing how hyperbolic people are being about this, presumably out of blind Microsoft hatred. Pretty much everyone agreed that Nokia's Symbian/MeeGo strategy was a failure, that Nokia were quickly losing marketshare and that they needed a new OS. The only options were Android and Windows Phone 7. WebOS would have been a better fit than either, but that option had already been and gone. I think there are compelli…

People also seem to have forgotten that the bulk of Nokia's sales don't come from smartphones. All they're doing here is replacing the OS of their 'flagship' lineup. Since Nokia smartphones have barely entered into the consciousness of the wealthy Western consumers who have been buying Apple/Android in the last few years, this /has/ to be an improvement.

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Post by trezor »

marshray wrote: post #85
trezor wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". Reasonably successful? I dare you to name one single Nokia-phone made the last half decade which you would consider relevant. The truth is that platform-wise and software-wise, the bits you interact with, they've been stagnant since around 2000 and no amount of megapixels or Carl Zeis…

Reasonably successful? I dare you to name one single Nokia-phone made the last half decade which you would consider relevant. Well "dare" is a pretty big word, as if you're making some kind of threat of retaliation if I do. So let's just ask Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=nokia+market+penetration Second link: http://gigaom.com/2010/03/18/the-mobile-os-market/ Check that out. According to that data, in the 200…

The point that it may be stagnant is well taken, which is why I said "reasonably successful" instead of "stomping everyone else into the ground". But irrelevant it is not.

Fair enough. But if you look at how quickly Windows Mobile went from being the de-facto Smartphone OS to completely irrelevant and take into account (as Nokia's CEO acknowledged) that they are being taken on and losing market-share at every point which they've usually excelled at, it's clear that while they may not be irrelevant now, the way there is not very long.

The need to do something drastic was IMO very real. If going for Microsoft and Windows Phone 7 as opposed to other options like Android was the best choice can clearly be debated, but something had to be done. Staying with the "reasonable successful" platform they had would not have been a viable long term strategy.

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