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Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Re: Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Post by zalew »

bvi wrote: post #13
goatforce5 wrote: post #6

Watching Al Jazeera's live stream and they had one of their journalists on the phone from the square. She expressed excitement and delight that Mubarak was gone. The host guy back in the studio pointed out the journalist on the phone had been impartial up until now, and basically apologised for her expressing her opinion. I thought that was pretty classy.

He actually said something along the lines of "...do forgive her for her reaction. She was 1 week old when Mubarak came into office." Very cool.

Now it happened another time, and he was even more harsh, sth like "we are sorry that some of our Egyptian correspondents express their private emotions and opinions instead of only doing their proffession". That's what shows class and a really PRO approach. In Poland, when the pope died or the plane crashed, journalists of our local news stations started a crying/mourning contest - it was disgusting and unbearable to watch, and nobody from tv even cared to think that there was something extremely not proffessional about it.

Re: Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Post by mynameishere »

MichaelSalib wrote: post #74
mynameishere wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We'll see what happens." The discussions I've seen about Egypt seem to assume that it can be governed like the countries we're familiar with. Most of the things that seem evil are in fact cock-ups or unfortunate necessities. We learned about this after ousting Saddam Hussein, and were forced into all sorts of brutalities that indeed would not work well in the US or Britain.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that when you wire up a car battery to someone's genitals, that IS evil. That's not an unfortunate necessity. And its not a screwup. We learned about this after ousting Saddam Hussein, and were forced into all sorts of brutalities that indeed would not work well in the US or Britain. What did History ever do to you that compelled you to slander and malign it so?

What did History ever do to you that compelled you to slander and malign it so?

Are you just completely irrational or does this mean something? I honestly can't tell.

My point is simply that regime change doesn't automatically generate the political equivilent of rainbow-shitting unicorns, which is what people seem to be assuming. Governments tend to be molded by circumstances more than we realize, and not the personality of such-and-such a strongman. "We'll see what happens," is my final analysis but the best guess is always repetition.

Re: Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Post by krschultz »

zeteo wrote: post #53
krschultz wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think answering the "What system have you hacked?" question on the next Y Combinator application with "Taking down my country's dictatorship" would be a pretty kick ass answer. I think we can live with 1 spot on the front page for a few hours of one day being used up by the story of a 30 year old dictatorship being overthrown by its people. Especially considering there were about 8 stories this morning about the No…

Political activity != hacking. Nokia and Microsoft are tech companies.

Agreed, the question on the y combinator app (though I've never seen it so I may be misquoting) is something akin to "name a non-computer system that you have hacked".

Re: Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Post by [deleted] »

cypherpunks01 wrote: post #85
baltcode wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, this is only step 1. Torturer in chief also needs to step down, emergency lifted, and free elections have to be held. Look forward to steps 2, 3, 4.

Very interesting English Al Jazeera opinion article about vice-president Omar Suleiman, entitled "Suleiman: The CIA's man in Cairo": http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/2011271...

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Re: Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Post by MichaelSalib »

mynameishere wrote: post #92
MichaelSalib wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that when you wire up a car battery to someone's genitals, that IS evil. That's not an unfortunate necessity. And its not a screwup. We learned about this after ousting Saddam Hussein, and were forced into all sorts of brutalities that indeed would not work well in the US or Britain. What did History ever do to you that compelled you to slander and malign it so?

What did History ever do to you that compelled you to slander and malign it so? Are you just completely irrational or does this mean something? I honestly can't tell. My point is simply that regime change doesn't automatically generate the political equivilent of rainbow-shitting unicorns, which is what people seem to be assuming. Governments tend to be molded by circumstances more than we realize, and not the person…

Are you just completely irrational or does this mean something? I honestly can't tell.

I think your explanation of US behavior in post-Hussein Iraq is ahistorical...to say the least.

Governments tend to be molded by circumstances more than we realize, and not the personality of such-and-such a strongman.

Absolutely, I very much agree.

I'm still curious though: is child-rape enlightenment?

Re: Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Post by codebaobab »

eftpotrm wrote: post #84

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12433045 The BBC's Jon Leyne in Cairo said the announcement caught everyone by surprise, and all over the city drivers honked their horns and people fired guns into the air. But the army takeover looks very much like a military coup, our correspondent adds. The constitution has been breached, he says, because officially it should be the speaker of parliament who takes over,…

Stratfor is also calling this a coup:

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110211-red-alert-mubarak-...

Re: Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Post by stcredzero »

logjam wrote: post #76

Another example of nonviolent action leading to real political change. Now if the U.S. government gets on the ball, they will redirect some substantial portion of the Egyptian ~$2 billion military aid and announce we will help build science and technical schools, universities, and hospitals. Thanks to those of you who have been hosting and continue to host Tor bridges in support of emerging democracies: https://www.t…

redirect some substantial portion of the Egyptian ~$2 billion military aid and announce we will help build science and technical schools, universities, and hospitals

Finding a way to ameliorate the corruption stifling the economy would have bigger bang for the buck.

Re: Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Post by rosser »

hasenj wrote: post #80
MichaelSalib wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not making any sense. Let me break it down for you: you made a claim about the sub-conscience of a group of hundreds of millions of people. You've supplied zero evidence. You've cited no scientific studies, nothing. There's plenty, actually. Just walk around any street in any major Arab city/capital and ask the people Let's assume everyone says yes...so what? What does that tell us about a sub-conscious sense…

It's not a scientific claim; it's impossible to provide a scientific evidence about any sociological claim. However, I believe my claim is not without evidence; there's plenty of evidence for it. You just have to be a part of the culture. You do have to interpret it charitably, though. If you interpret it as "Every single Arab person has this ideology", then of course it's a false claim. It's not too different from t…

You just have to be a part of the culture.

Did you miss MichaelSalib's post up-thread where he said, "But what do I know, I'm only an Egyptian."?

Re: Hosni Mubarak finally steps down

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Post by mynameishere »

MichaelSalib wrote: post #96
mynameishere wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did History ever do to you that compelled you to slander and malign it so? Are you just completely irrational or does this mean something? I honestly can't tell. My point is simply that regime change doesn't automatically generate the political equivilent of rainbow-shitting unicorns, which is what people seem to be assuming. Governments tend to be molded by circumstances more than we realize, and not the person…

Are you just completely irrational or does this mean something? I honestly can't tell. I think your explanation of US behavior in post-Hussein Iraq is ahistorical...to say the least. Governments tend to be molded by circumstances more than we realize, and not the personality of such-and-such a strongman. Absolutely, I very much agree. I'm still curious though: is child-rape enlightenment?

is child-rape enlightenment?

Okay, you're asking an imbecilic question, but I'll answer it because you're basically setting yourself up: No, it isn't.

Now, is the mutilation of children, practiced by the Egyptian population in general, enlightenment? Is it? Huh? I answered your bullshit question; do me the favor of answering my real question.

Maybe you should read the original article I posted and think twice.

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