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Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by j-pb » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 1:54 PM UTC

Touche wrote: post #108

geofft wrote: post #99

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It's absolutely correct that people don't have obligations simply by putting some code online. But they do have obligations when they start telling people to use their code. We understand this as humans even in realms far from open source: if I see you approaching a door, I am under no obligation to open it just because I'm physically able to, but if I open a door for you, I'd better hold it until you're finished wal…

He held the door open for a lot of people. Some people spit at him as they walked through. He doesn't want to hold the door open any more, he's done it enough. He didn't sign up to be a doorman for life.

Just walk away then, no need to set the door on fire.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by sergiotapia » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 1:54 PM UTC

Agree 100% with the maintainer, read some of the comments on /r/rust and on Github, I haven't seen a more rude sanctimonious community in my 12 years programming. Holy shit!

Rustaceans my ass! From now on Rudeaceans.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by Macha » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 1:57 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #120

Macha wrote: post #29

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Or to put it another way: As an open source maintainer, you're perfectly entitled to just walk away. Hit that archive button on github so nothing new can come from the repo, and enjoy your life. Nobody could fault on you that. People would prefer you work out a clean transition to a new maintainer, but you have no obligation to do so. Deleting the repos is the equivalent of setting the house on fire on the way out (e…

I don't see why. Anyone that cared already has their local repository copy. After all that is what DVCS are all about

Issues and pull requests are often useful documentation (for open source projects, sometimes the only documentation), links to files and lines of code are now broken.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by christiansakai » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 1:57 PM UTC

I am a Rust beginner, and have made a few small projects with Actix Web. Actix Web is the only framework I use in Rust and spent some time learning about it. During that learning process, the docs constantly get updated but there are examples in the repo. Sometimes there aren't examples and I go to their chat room and ask the maintainer directly, and to my surprise, he always answered my question.

He is a busy guy with a life that already put immense effort to create this library and helping people to use it. He is free to do whatever he wants. People who complained, did they even give him thanks? Or donating coffee money? Grow up and stop spending your SWE salary for your vices.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by guscost » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 1:57 PM UTC

dhbradshaw wrote: post #25

What he created and did was and is amazing. He wouldn't have had the attention or the criticism that he got if it hadn't been so impressive. I think when something's good enough, people may actually criticize more freely. Some of that is because the project becomes worth the scrutiny. But some of it is also a status thing. If your work is good enough to give you a high enough status, you change categories a bit in pe…

Agreed, nice work fafhrd91!

-from another impressed but silent user of your project

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by saagarjha » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 1:57 PM UTC

m4r35n357 wrote: post #42

I don't get it. This is a Git project. So did none of these people actually bother to clone it? Probably easier to just rely on binaries . . . suckers!

One of the downsides to GitHub is that it stores a lot of state that Git cannot capture, and is at the mercy of project maintainers to continue existing unaltered.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by beatgammit » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 1:59 PM UTC

jaimex2 wrote: post #54

What was Actix-web?

A web server built on an actor framework and probably the fastest Rust web server out there for many use cases.

I used it because it was easy to fill my niche case (TCP + UDP + WebSockets + HTTP interfaces to the same thing) as well as my boring CRUD apps, and it worked on stable Rust since a long time ago.

The author got a lot of flack for using "unsafe", then fixed most uses of "unsafe" and it has become something of a meme now. Unfortunately, there's an odd, almost religious crusade against unsafe in the Rust community, especially by those who don't really understand the ramifications of using unsafe incorrectly or how to tell whether unsafe is being used correctly.

It's a cool project and I have loved using it. I'm probably going to use something else unless someone steps up with a commitment to maintaining a fork.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by pjmlp » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 2:02 PM UTC

Macha wrote: post #123

pjmlp wrote: post #120

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I don't see why. Anyone that cared already has their local repository copy. After all that is what DVCS are all about

Issues and pull requests are often useful documentation (for open source projects, sometimes the only documentation), links to files and lines of code are now broken.

That is what happens when one outsources everything to Github.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by xtf » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 2:03 PM UTC

christiansakai wrote: post #124

I am a Rust beginner, and have made a few small projects with Actix Web. Actix Web is the only framework I use in Rust and spent some time learning about it. During that learning process, the docs constantly get updated but there are examples in the repo. Sometimes there aren't examples and I go to their chat room and ask the maintainer directly, and to my surprise, he always answered my question. He is a busy guy wi…

Tried to write it down and help to enhance the documentation, or written an own documentation? So that reoccurring questions could be reduced.

Re: Actix project postmortem

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 2:03 PM UTC

j-pb wrote: post #37

tsukurimashou wrote: post #11

"Ok... So that was unprofessional. If you don't want to maintain a project anymore, you give it to someone else and link to that repo in your README. This just screwed me over big time." https://github.com/actix/actix-web/issues/1#issuecomment-575... These kind of entitled attitude is probably exactly why the guy just removed everything. More details / discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/epszt7/ac…

In open source you give and take. The actix author almost certainly (unless they deploy their own kernel) has profited immensely from other peoples work. This is because as a community we have realized that we don't sell libraries, we sell stuff build with them, so we all win when we share. It is your choice to use open source software without open sourcing your own work or without contributing. But by engaging in op…

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