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"for fear of arrest" Whether you agree with the decision or not, nothing about it sounds in the least bit criminal.

Europe's anti-trust laws are very different from the USA's. I don't know enough about it to be sure, but simply making anti-competative actions such as partnering can be illegal.

Huh, makes me wonder if the alternate platforms they are supporting (MeeGo, two Symbians) are just distractions to help satisfy the political situation (legal or otherwise).

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Doesn't that pretty well describe the reasonably successful approach Apple used in moving to Mac OS X? Sure there are differences: Jobs was at Apple before; Apple bought Next; .... There are also similarities in that the MS/Nokia partnership represents a pivot from the current course that has no migration path other than total change.

no. Apple bought Next, they didn't license tech from them. Nokia is licensing tech from MS. those are very different circumstances indeed.

What part of "Apple bought Next" did you not read?

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Yeah I was reminded of OpenGL. Haha, at least Nokia isn't claiming that they and Microsoft are going to develop technology "jointly".

They are (claiming so). In the press conferences, they stressed that they're going to contribute to WP7 ecosystem (by bringing OVI maps, and their expertise with developing for range hw range, or something along those lines).

Wow they're dumber than I thought then. Or at least they are executing on a plan and think that their employees and investors are dumb.

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"for fear of arrest" Whether you agree with the decision or not, nothing about it sounds in the least bit criminal.

Europe's anti-trust laws are very different from the USA's. I don't know enough about it to be sure, but simply making anti-competative actions such as partnering can be illegal.

If you have a dominant market position. Between iOS, Android and RIM, two minor players joining up isn't going to be a problem.

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Let's see 1. Hire someone from Microsoft to run the company 2. He says "our platform is burning, we have to do something drastic" which most people interpret as "prepare to come up with a strategy and fight like hell to win". 3. Guess what, he already had something in mind! It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". And piss o…

It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". Reasonably successful? I dare you to name one single Nokia-phone made the last half decade which you would consider relevant. The truth is that platform-wise and software-wise, the bits you interact with, they've been stagnant since around 2000 and no amount of megapixels or Carl Zeis…

Reasonably successful? I dare you to name one single Nokia-phone made the last half decade which you would consider relevant.

Well "dare" is a pretty big word, as if you're making some kind of threat of retaliation if I do.

So let's just ask Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=nokia+market+penetration

Second link: http://gigaom.com/2010/03/18/the-mobile-os-market/

Check that out. According to that data, in the 2007-2009 time frame they shipped more cell phone operating systems than everyone else combined. That probably translates into a lot of physical Nokia phones, too.

The point that it may be stagnant is well taken, which is why I said "reasonably successful" instead of "stomping everyone else into the ground".

But irrelevant it is not.

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Regardless of whether you agree with the CEO's position I think it's pretty childish to walk out on your job.

I would urge you to read up on the history of labor and unions in the US (or elsewhere). We have a civilized work environment because of strikes. I'm not equating the importance of the Nokia strike with those of the early 20s but, still, they are not "childish".

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This kind of behavior makes me wish at-will employment was the norm throughout the world. If you aren't happy, quit. Change was clearly needed and change was made. Work hard for your company or find a different place to work that'll make you happier. Everyone thinks they could make better decisions.

This kind of behaviour makes me wish golden parachutes for executives weren't the norm throughout the world. If you can't make money for the company, quit or be fired. Isn't it amazing how "at will" seems to apply to both employees and management, but somehow management's version of "at will" is considerably lower risk than the employees, even though the manager has considerably more influence over their future.

I don't really know the answer, but are golden parachutes really the norm for many executives? We hear about certain extremely-well-connected CEOs of very big companies, but that's hardly a representative sample of executives.

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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Europe's anti-trust laws are very different from the USA's. I don't know enough about it to be sure, but simply making anti-competative actions such as partnering can be illegal.

Huh, makes me wonder if the alternate platforms they are supporting (MeeGo, two Symbians) are just distractions to help satisfy the political situation (legal or otherwise).

And their 3rd party developers are asking themselves exactly that question.

Developers aren't dumb. Hedging one's bets often makes for a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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An executive switches from company M to competitor N then abruptly throws much of N's development investment in the trash and signs a deal to license all of it from M instead, it smells funny. I'm not saying anything actually is wrong, I don't know enough about it to care. But what I do see is Nokia being a big employer and part of national pride for Finland. This will likely become an issue in politics there. They'd…

nokia is a private company and is answerable to only its shareholders...there might be a backlash in Finland but any company that has to take or does take business decisions based on political/nationalistic considerations will find it hard to be competitive in the global economy

No, they're a publicly traded company answerable to their shareholders and the legal systems of Finland, the EU, and the US NYSE and SEC.

Any company that comprises a measurable percentage of a country's GDP and a big share of its exports had better take into account some political considerations.

Re: 1000+ Nokia workers have walked out in protest (in English via Google Translate)

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It was "throw out our current reasonably successful development efforts and become a licensee of Microsoft's failed platform instead". Reasonably successful? I dare you to name one single Nokia-phone made the last half decade which you would consider relevant. The truth is that platform-wise and software-wise, the bits you interact with, they've been stagnant since around 2000 and no amount of megapixels or Carl Zeis…

Reasonably successful? I dare you to name one single Nokia-phone made the last half decade which you would consider relevant. Well "dare" is a pretty big word, as if you're making some kind of threat of retaliation if I do. So let's just ask Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=nokia+market+penetration Second link: http://gigaom.com/2010/03/18/the-mobile-os-market/ Check that out. According to that data, in the 200…

Care to share dynamics of Nokia's market share during last two years?
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