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You could ask the same about white collar workers voluntarily spending 2hrs a day commuting to get to and from work everyday
Two hours of reading, snoozing, thinking, hobbies, what's wrong with that? I used to quite appreciate the time and space of my long commute.
What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips
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A major negative consequence for restaurant workers as a result of food delivery apps is that they are busier than ever because they are now fulfilling orders all day from these apps in addition to orders from people that walk in. I went to Popeyes last week and there’s just a stream of receipts from online orders constantly printing, and they have to fulfill all those while dealing with everyone that comes in. And o…
> And of course they aren’t getting paid any more to do maybe 3-4x the work they did before these apps got popular. Restaurants have always adjusted staffing based on order volume; so while the restaurant may have 3× the order flow, the work per employee probably hasn't increased that much.
Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips
#63This is why when I do order from Doordash, I only tip in cash and make sure to write it in the comments. Still the best online delivery by me even if they are a shit company. Hate Grubhub more.
If so, can you add the actual price of the delivery as charged to you by DoorDash to the message so they can know how much they can game DoorDash?
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#64I drove for DoorDash for about a month. What killed me was the wait between deliveries. I think it was like 45 minutes on average and when I did get a delivery it was like a tiny $7 delivery. There would be 2 hour stretches of times pretty often. But then once in awhile I'd get a string of maybe 3 or 4 runs that paid like $12. over 2 or 3 hours.It was too inconsistent. Had no idea if I ever got tips, from my understa…
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
You could ask the same about white collar workers voluntarily spending 2hrs a day commuting to get to and from work everyday
After bike commuting for 10 years and now working from home, I ask that question all the time. My only guess after asking around is people think they "have to". People put their head down and forget to think about the bigger picture. Maybe working for DoorDash is the same type of thing?
Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips
#66Why do they do these tips?! Why not charge a total and pay all expenses and people from that? I don't understand why the complicated setup and all the fuss that comes from it. Seems like they create problems for themselves out of nothing.
Also: why is the service fee separate from the delivery fee? Why do hotels charge an invisible “resort fee”? Why do airlines and utilities have so many extra fees you don’t find out about until later? These are all dark patterns that try to hide the actual cost. If doordash was upfront, saying “your total extra charge from doordash for delivering this to you is $25” instead of “$3.99 delivery; $12.57 service charge;…
Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips
#67The article closes with a statement that they want $15/hour plus expenses for drivers. The obvious problem is that I can’t see customers paying that much for delivery - ie. at those wages Door Dash can’t exist.
The fact that people choose to do the work makes me think there are people who find it worthwhile, and I can explain a few scenarios that make a lot more sense than the ones in the article:
I live in SF, which is only about 7mi by 7mi square, so if you do door dash here it’s very unlikely for a delivery to require more than 2-3 mi of travel. Further I see a lot of deliveries made on bikes, skateboards, scooters, etc. so the cost is much lower than the suburban deliveries made by car.
I see a lot of young delivery people, who I imagine may be high school or college students who just want a few bucks spending money without any kind of time commitment, and maybe this works nicely for them.
Regulating the wages to try and turn door dash into a “family feeding” job seems like it would do nothing but kill the business (and all the gig businesses), depriving people who want that kind of ultimate flexibility of the freedom and also depriving customers of a really convenient service.
But I do think regulation could be very beneficial in creating transparency around payment to both the customer and the gig worker. I can see no reason the companies should be allowed to obscure what they pay their workers, where tips for, how many miles the worker traveled on a job etc. That kind of information is fair and reasonable to provide, and would help avoid gig companies exploiting people who unfortunately may not understand how to properly value their expenses.
The final thing I would argue is that it’s reasonable to prohibit blind auctions, as door dash does.
Instead of randomly pairing a person to a job, giving them only seconds to respond, and penalizing them (by not offering more) if they fail to respond, it would be much more fair to have a real-time auction map showing all deliveries that need to be picked up in a certain area, where they need to go, how much the pay is, and then letting them “sit on the map” and slowly tick up in price until a worker picks one. That’s a half-baked brainstorm so maybe that’s not the right implementation, but my point is simply:
1. I think regulating gig wages is a blunt instrument that would mostly end the gig companies and possibly entrench one or two mega corps as survivors that are still exploitive toward workers - whereas providing information transparency could potentially preserve the good things about gig jobs while eliminating the majority of bad outcomes for workers.
2. The real problem seems to be that there are so many people in need of “family feeding” jobs who are working for Door Dash etc. instead. When we talk about a “historically low unemployment rate,” things like this make it ring hollow to me. Clearly there are a lot of people unable to get better work, who as a result are really hurting economically, and we need to do a better job measuring and understanding that problem so we can respond more effectively to it.
Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
After bike commuting for 10 years and now working from home, I ask that question all the time. My only guess after asking around is people think they "have to". People put their head down and forget to think about the bigger picture. Maybe working for DoorDash is the same type of thing?
A bike commute for me would be a minimum of 2 hours (twice a day) and I'm almost at the years of experience the vast majority of remote jobs start at (which isn't a small number like 2), so you could say I "have to".
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Increased revenue is usually a problem you (a business) want to have. If that revenue isn't trickling down to the workers, well, that is pretty much America in a nutshell.
Becoming a commodity supplier to an aggregator is a losing proposition. If the value is in delivering the food, restaurants slowly stop being able to differentiate based on branding, experience, presentation, location, or offering and instead compete mostly on price and speed. It's a shit position to be in.
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#70> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…
They take those jobs because they lose all access to the chance of profitable jobs otherwise. The people working for door dash aren't exactly the sort of person with the ability to fully understand probabilities and statistics either. I'd say it's fair to assume their business model works by bullying the same psychological behaviors as videogame loot crates, lottery tickets, and casinos. That one huge order that pays $30 after tips quiets the anxiety of losing money on the previous ten orders even if the actual math places the driver in the red.