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What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

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Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

People don't realize it is a net negative and just think about the $3 they'll be getting

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

These jobs basically allow you to take a line of credit out against depreciation on your vehicle. Sure you lost money, but you get cash today.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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I drove for DoorDash for about a month. What killed me was the wait between deliveries. I think it was like 45 minutes on average and when I did get a delivery it was like a tiny $7 delivery. There would be 2 hour stretches of times pretty often. But then once in awhile I'd get a string of maybe 3 or 4 runs that paid like $12. over 2 or 3 hours.It was too inconsistent. Had no idea if I ever got tips, from my understa…

>> There's just too many drivers I think. That's fascinating. Seems like the free market really would drive the wage to 0. DoorDash's "innovation" is the black box to obscure the fact. If they paid more fairly like their competitors, they wouldn't be growing as fast. Seems kindof like a cyberpunk future, with corporations negating regulations through advanced technology. Also in those cyberpunk futures, society break…

It's fascinating that the pay is dismal and yet there are too many drivers.

I'm guessing partly because few understand their expenses and net pay.

And some really do value the ability to work whenever.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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post #30

> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

You could ask the same about white collar workers voluntarily spending 2hrs a day commuting to get to and from work everyday

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Why do they do these tips?! Why not charge a total and pay all expenses and people from that? I don't understand why the complicated setup and all the fuss that comes from it. Seems like they create problems for themselves out of nothing.

Clearly to take advantage of hiding how tipping works in order to pay less.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Can't say I'm surprised -- having people in food delivery (read: waitstaff) work for virtually nothing and hoping to make it up in tips is entirely consistent with the American restaurant experience. Although at least restaurants are theoretically supposed to guarantee minimum wage, and don't exploit the car maintenance and depreciation of their workers.

A major negative consequence for restaurant workers as a result of food delivery apps is that they are busier than ever because they are now fulfilling orders all day from these apps in addition to orders from people that walk in. I went to Popeyes last week and there’s just a stream of receipts from online orders constantly printing, and they have to fulfill all those while dealing with everyone that comes in. And o…

Aren’t minimum wage raises responsible for this? If restaurants are forced to pay $15 an hour minimum, how can it be profitable without them being more productive?

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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post #28

Can't say I'm surprised -- having people in food delivery (read: waitstaff) work for virtually nothing and hoping to make it up in tips is entirely consistent with the American restaurant experience. Although at least restaurants are theoretically supposed to guarantee minimum wage, and don't exploit the car maintenance and depreciation of their workers.

A major negative consequence for restaurant workers as a result of food delivery apps is that they are busier than ever because they are now fulfilling orders all day from these apps in addition to orders from people that walk in. I went to Popeyes last week and there’s just a stream of receipts from online orders constantly printing, and they have to fulfill all those while dealing with everyone that comes in. And o…

> And of course they aren’t getting paid any more to do maybe 3-4x the work they did before these apps got popular.

Restaurants have always adjusted staffing based on order volume; so while the restaurant may have 3× the order flow, the work per employee probably hasn't increased that much.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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I would guess that DoorDash is very negative for restaurants and restaurant waitstaff, also.

That doesn't make any sense. It's a choice for restaurants to sign up and they have like 10 services to choose from. If it's not good for the restaurants they'll just stop using it. Any marginal delivery is pure profit for a restaurant.

There have been many cases of delivery app companies doing things like taking out ads in the company name with a phone number and website that looks like the restaurant but is actually the app company. So they feed off people organically searching and getting deliberately redirected.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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post #35
post #30

> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

You could ask the same about white collar workers voluntarily spending 2hrs a day commuting to get to and from work everyday

After bike commuting for 10 years and now working from home, I ask that question all the time.

My only guess after asking around is people think they "have to". People put their head down and forget to think about the bigger picture. Maybe working for DoorDash is the same type of thing?

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