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Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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So basically some subset of EU Parliament legislators have an opinion about something. In Apple's defense, the lightning connector and previous iPod connector both served as a charging cable and computer interface cable. So it was never the same situation as the old devoted phone chargers. And they invented them without any standard alternatives available. If this passes, the next time you think about inventing an in…

"So basically some subset of EU Parliament legislators have an opinion about something."

That's...how governments work? Government officials put out a proposal because the industry can't get its act together.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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post #16

So basically some subset of EU Parliament legislators have an opinion about something. In Apple's defense, the lightning connector and previous iPod connector both served as a charging cable and computer interface cable. So it was never the same situation as the old devoted phone chargers. And they invented them without any standard alternatives available. If this passes, the next time you think about inventing an in…

Frankly phones are all limited by the USB connection on the other side of the cable. The industry can easily standardize on something, update that standard every ~5 years and be fine. Mini USB (2000) Micro USB (2009) both predate the Lightning cable and could charge and communicate with phones at the same time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#Connector_types

But Mini and Micro USB both royally sucked. That's why they invented the lightning connector.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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post #11

I mean, it's good to reduce disposable cables, but it's not like Apple is egregious about this. The Lightning port has been in use longer than the time between the release of USB and Mini-USB, Mini-USB and Micro-USB, Micro-USB and USB-C, or USB-C to today. The 30-pin connector was current for 9 years, even longer than Lightning has been around.

This is a rather pointless stat though. None of the cables currently available are rated for 9 years and most have a ridiculously short lifespan of 1-2 years anyway.

In fact it probably works against Apple as it demonstrates that the churn of innovation doesn't really exist if new advances only occur every 9 years.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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post #22

So basically some subset of EU Parliament legislators have an opinion about something. In Apple's defense, the lightning connector and previous iPod connector both served as a charging cable and computer interface cable. So it was never the same situation as the old devoted phone chargers. And they invented them without any standard alternatives available. If this passes, the next time you think about inventing an in…

"So basically some subset of EU Parliament legislators have an opinion about something." That's...how governments work? Government officials put out a proposal because the industry can't get its act together.

That comment's on this being a bunch of news fluff.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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While I'm fraustrated with the connector diversity in my home, I'm not at all keen to have technology design mandated. Would this forbid a certain type of product from using something better, and force new design to be via committees? I mean, it's not like Europe uses all the same mains power plugs. Well, I guess UK leaving will help there.

I share you concern, but I wonder if a strong law could account for this? "You must use the standard, unless doing so would have a substantial impact on your product's capabilities." (I wrote this in 30 seconds, replace with more legally sound version.) I feel like Apple would have a hard time arguing the lightening is technically more capable than USB-C. But if they want to create something that is a clear improveme…

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Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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I think it’s useful to keep in mind that Apple helped design USB-C, so it’s not like they’re shunning the standard. And they were one of the earlier adopters in the PC space, and they’ve adopted it for the iPad Pro. I think the main thing holding them back is a combination of 1) the huge installed base of lightning accessories, and 2) the fact that USB-C adoption has been slow.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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So basically some subset of EU Parliament legislators have an opinion about something. In Apple's defense, the lightning connector and previous iPod connector both served as a charging cable and computer interface cable. So it was never the same situation as the old devoted phone chargers. And they invented them without any standard alternatives available. If this passes, the next time you think about inventing an in…

They are telling the industry to choose one common connector, and to standardize around it.... They are not dictating which one.... and that the one they choose has to be set in stone (i.e. never change) De facto it is going to probably be USB-C, and I think it is a good move.... If years down the road, there is a new connector called USB-D (or whatever it is called), they can switch to it.... Also, this is for charg…

But if it's law to use the standard connector than how do you use a different (lets say newer) connection if the law says to use the standard connector.

There's a bit of a chicken and egg problem. Somebody is going to have to build a device with a connector that isn't standard at some point to make progress.

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