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Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by raganwald »

maxklein wrote: post #34

When I read such articles, that's when you realise that people are resistant to change. It's like those people still using Windows XP because it's the best. Tech is in constant change, but at some point, some people just give up and decide not to join in anymore: not to make facebook accounts, not to join twitter, not to upgrade their OS, not to switch browser. That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the c…

> That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the changing landscape of tech.

I didn't read that at all, what I read was someone saying that change is necessary, but that this change has huge benefits for Microsoft but questionable benefits for Nokia.

We should be wary of falling into the "politician's fallacy" from the delightful Britcom "Yes, Prime Minister:"

We must do something. This is something. Therefore we must do it.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by ldng »

masklinn wrote: post #37
maxklein wrote: post #34

When I read such articles, that's when you realise that people are resistant to change. It's like those people still using Windows XP because it's the best. Tech is in constant change, but at some point, some people just give up and decide not to join in anymore: not to make facebook accounts, not to join twitter, not to upgrade their OS, not to switch browser. That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the c…

> and that will ensure that Nokia remains relevant. Nokia becoming a WP7 OEM does not make them relevant. They're going to go the same path as they would have had they gone with Android instead: just another phone OEM. Though between WP7 and Android, WP7 is probably a much better choice for them.

Could you elaborate on that please ? Personally I fail to see in what this choice is better, maybe I missed something.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by davidw »

raganwald wrote: post #61
maxklein wrote: post #34

When I read such articles, that's when you realise that people are resistant to change. It's like those people still using Windows XP because it's the best. Tech is in constant change, but at some point, some people just give up and decide not to join in anymore: not to make facebook accounts, not to join twitter, not to upgrade their OS, not to switch browser. That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the c…

> That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the changing landscape of tech. I didn't read that at all, what I read was someone saying that change is necessary, but that this change has huge benefits for Microsoft but questionable benefits for Nokia. We should be wary of falling into the "politician's fallacy" from the delightful Britcom "Yes, Prime Minister:" We must do something. This is something. Therefor…

Yes, I'd say that, if anything, Nokia has had entirely too much change. So much that you're never quite sure where they're headed. Symbian, Meego, Qt, now this...

Also, from some other article:

> Mr. Elop said “Nokia expects 2011 and 2012 to be transition years”.

It's going to take them a while to really get this strategy under way. Two years is an eternity in this market.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by ashr »

raganwald wrote: post #61
maxklein wrote: post #34

When I read such articles, that's when you realise that people are resistant to change. It's like those people still using Windows XP because it's the best. Tech is in constant change, but at some point, some people just give up and decide not to join in anymore: not to make facebook accounts, not to join twitter, not to upgrade their OS, not to switch browser. That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the c…

> That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the changing landscape of tech. I didn't read that at all, what I read was someone saying that change is necessary, but that this change has huge benefits for Microsoft but questionable benefits for Nokia. We should be wary of falling into the "politician's fallacy" from the delightful Britcom "Yes, Prime Minister:" We must do something. This is something. Therefor…

The way I see it Microsoft brings a lot to the table that only a few could: A fresh new OS in WP7, cloud computing infrastructure, it's own gaming ecosystem in XBox platform and its UX integration with the phone OS etc among other things. So I don't see that choosing WP7 (over Android?) is such a bad deal for Nokia. It wasn't a very long time ago that Android ecosystem wasn't very appealing to the mobile developers as iOS ecosystem was. So I would give this partnership some benefit of doubt and time to deliver on the promise.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by rodh257 »

Why is this on the front page? Come on. Anyone who thinks this deal isn't good for both parties is kidding themselves. After years of trying to create their own operating system Nokia have finally admitted they need to invest in an ecosystem. If they were to take on Android they'd be late to an already full party.

With WP7 there's no one seriously pushing it, Dell, LG both aren't famous for their phones. HTC owes most of what they have to Android. Nokia and Microsoft working together is a partnership not to be written off. It's a point of difference for Nokia, and Microsoft isn't going to be out of this game, they'll invest and invest and they will be a major player, you watch.

A lot of ridiculous statements have been made by bloggers of late when discussing smartphones, but I don't think I've heard any as silly as this: "And to those whose Nokia/Windows smartphones will give them the mobile variation on the MS 'BSOD' while calling 911, my condolences to you too."

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by seshagiric »

masklinn wrote: post #37
maxklein wrote: post #34

When I read such articles, that's when you realise that people are resistant to change. It's like those people still using Windows XP because it's the best. Tech is in constant change, but at some point, some people just give up and decide not to join in anymore: not to make facebook accounts, not to join twitter, not to upgrade their OS, not to switch browser. That's what this post is: someone refusing to face the c…

> and that will ensure that Nokia remains relevant. Nokia becoming a WP7 OEM does not make them relevant. They're going to go the same path as they would have had they gone with Android instead: just another phone OEM. Though between WP7 and Android, WP7 is probably a much better choice for them.

Actually WP7 is a better choice than what is obvious. WP7 will bring Office and Exchange to Nokia phones and hence bring it even closer to business users.

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by marshray »

masklinn wrote: post #40
detst wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... as Google hovered with their Android rescue helicopters?

Android and WP7 make no difference for Nokia. In fact WP7 is clearly a better deal as they can talk and negotiate with Microsoft's moneyhat and they become by far the foremost WP7 phone maker. They bring a lot of hardware expertise and knowledge to Microsoft's camp. Going with Android, they'd just get to get bent. If their choice was to get out of software and choose between WP7 and Android, WP7 is a much better idea…

Oh man. Nokia goes from "the foremost phone maker" in the world to "by far the foremost WP7 phone maker".

What were they thinking?

To the extent people vote with their feet, don't they seem to prefer Symbian (even having never heard of it) over Windows phones?

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by shareme »

ghenne wrote: post #49

Here's what is happening. Microsoft wants to buy Nokia, but not with all those buildings full of people. The announcements mean than Nokia can now get to work laying off tens of thousands of people. They don't need 120,000 employees anymore. Everybody involved in Symbian can go. Most of the Meego staff, too, as well as lots of middle and upper management. It won't cost Microsoft a cent in severance pay. Once it's all…

ah what have you been smoking?

Nokia kept both MeeGO, Qt, and Symbian groups..

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by ErrantX »

Ok really thick comment. If the mass market is being stolen by Android... why didn't Nokia start using Android?

It would seem the logical idea; if the platform is burning rather than trying to stand on a piece of planking that has a history of falling in the ocean.. why not dowse yourself in petrol and fling yourself into the inferno.

I mean; if the argument is that Android is eating up the market Nokia wants... then why not have the easiest slice?

Re: Microsoft just bought Nokia for $0

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Post by marshray »

abijlani wrote: post #46

I completely disagree with the article. He treats both Nokia and Microsoft as though they have no idea what they are doing. Microsoft has decades of experience in coming up from behind place and crushing the competition. As for Nokia, they make really good hardware. They got caught up in selling cheap handsets because it was great business for a while but that does not mean they cannot make great hardware. I think th…

I can't think of many times when Microsoft has "come up from behind place and crushed the competition" when the competition was less than ten times smaller than they were.

Perhaps enterprise adoption of .Net over Java is once such example. Can you think of others?

I'd probably put Microsoft and Nokia at even odds in the phone market, but I really don't expect them to pass Android with something non open-source.

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