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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

tomc1985 wrote: post #347
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #336

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The sad thing is that those apps' HTML and JS probably are standards-compliant, so supporting Slack, Teams, VSCode, (Electron) Skype, etc in a Firefox-based version of Electron should be possible and very straightforward - yet it probably won't happen. What's sad is that Windows 98 fully supported desktop-based HTML+JS apps ("HTA Applications"), with access to native resources (using COM via `new ActiveXObject`) and…

WinForms was never "quickly abandoned" ... MFC has been the defacto standard for Windows UI since Win 3.1

WinForms did not receive any significant updates after .NET Framework 2.0 and Visual Studio 2005 - integration with the new User32 controls added in Windows 7 was only through downloaded optional redistributable DLLs. Ever since the .NET Framework 3.0 (and until UWP) Microsoft was selling WPF as the way to build Windows desktop applications without C/C++.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by GeorgeWBasic »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #314
endothrowho333 wrote: post #286

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And yet one constant that connects all past Google projects: premature, without-warning shuttering of operations* * not all operations, but enough for it to become a cliche

Did you really feel the need to register, just to indulge in repeating this meme? I get it, Reader was nice. But a decade has passed, and it’s getting tired.

Did you really feel the need to criticize the poster, instead of the post? It's not just a meme, it's reality, and a result of how Google is run. People create new services to get promotions and then abandon them. With no recognition from maintenance, they wither and die, and are terminated. It is not inconceivable that GCP could suffer this fate too, judging from leaked communications.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by tim-- »

I_AM_A_SMURF wrote: post #335
microcolonel wrote: post #268

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Which platform were you compiling on, and when? It's been some years now, but Chromium used to build with MSVC on Windows.

I worked on both, it's no comparison. Firefox builds in about 40min on my macbook pro, Chromium takes like 4 hours?

I can't even get Chromium to build on my MacBook Pro, so there's that. (15-inch, 2018, 16GB RAM)

What magic are you using to be able to build Chromium?

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by emayljames »

darekkay wrote: post #248
duxup wrote: post #232

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I'm a noob web dev working in a small shop that sells a niche SaaS product. We had a customer push us to support Edge. The dev team (3 dudes) just looked at eachother and laid down the "No, Firefox or Chrome...". It's just so much pressure to dance around the "this one does this, that one doesn't" and generally we rarely run into any Firefox and Chrome issues. Edge, just not worth it for a small team. I'm glad we pro…

To be fair, Edge has a good feature support (check caniuse.com). It would be interesting to know what the exact issues your app has with the browser. Otherwise it sounds more like your devs like to use some vendor-specific hacks and blame Edge for it. I know there are some Flexbox things to consider, but nothing a small team can't handle. IE11 is another story, though.

Yeah, IE needs odd custom CSS designed for accessibility, to make up for the mountains of missing CSS spec in it. And forget it if you use flex.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by emayljames »

ewgoforth wrote: post #254
darekkay wrote: post #248

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To be fair, Edge has a good feature support (check caniuse.com). It would be interesting to know what the exact issues your app has with the browser. Otherwise it sounds more like your devs like to use some vendor-specific hacks and blame Edge for it. I know there are some Flexbox things to consider, but nothing a small team can't handle. IE11 is another story, though.

I'd also be curious to know what features that Edge doesn't support. I know it doesn't do everything Chrome does, but I haven't run into any scenarios that Edge didn't support in a long time. It's a pet peeve of mine that apps don't support Edge/Trident, Vivaldi, etc. It's easier to write cross-browser code than ever, but it seems like we're in the process of reverting back to the bad old days when IE6 was the only b…

Has issue in not printing PDFs correctly. Namely changing text, swapping out fonts and other issues.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by emayljames »

adventist wrote: post #260
duxup wrote: post #232

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I'm a noob web dev working in a small shop that sells a niche SaaS product. We had a customer push us to support Edge. The dev team (3 dudes) just looked at eachother and laid down the "No, Firefox or Chrome...". It's just so much pressure to dance around the "this one does this, that one doesn't" and generally we rarely run into any Firefox and Chrome issues. Edge, just not worth it for a small team. I'm glad we pro…

Yeah it would be interesting to hear of the feature that Edge could not support.

I'm having to fix an issue where a user's workstation uses edge to print PDFs. It is bad at it, it swaps out embedded fonts (random ones) and changes some text. A known issue.

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Post by kortilla »

rtpg wrote: post #333
sjwright wrote: post #291

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Google have certainly done a great job of maximizing the PR benefit from their security researchers. And it’s a great thing they’re doing. But regardless of how well individual companies market their respective security teams, Firefox has a comparable reputation for their browser engine. Yes some of that might be thanks to PZ, but that’s beside the point, isn’t it? Choosing Mozilla’s platform would have been better f…

I can understand value in multiple browsers for experimenting with new things (see Rust integration into Mozilla's engine), but what are the security benefits? Like if you have 3 different crypto imlpementations, you have times more teams that have to get a thing right. It seems way easier to try and get it right just once. Perhaps there's a holistic idea of "if one browser has an issue, at least it doesn't affect 10…

Multiple implementations is a great way to highlight issues in the spec vs reality (assumptions, unspecified behavior, etc). If you only have one implementation, the implementation becomes the spec and you end up with people targeting compatibility for that rather than a specification.

This happened with Cisco routers back in the day, Juniper had to add a flag to make a routing protocol compatible with Cisco because Cisco implemented it wrong but had so much dominance that Juniper had no choice if they wanted to get in the game.

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Post by Scarbutt »

sjwright wrote: post #291
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #276

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One huge advantage the Chromium has over Gecko is Google's Security Team (ie Project Zero). For most users, the web browser is one of the biggest attack surfaces and having arguably the best security team behind the browser engine is a good thing.

Google have certainly done a great job of maximizing the PR benefit from their security researchers. And it’s a great thing they’re doing. But regardless of how well individual companies market their respective security teams, Firefox has a comparable reputation for their browser engine. Yes some of that might be thanks to PZ, but that’s beside the point, isn’t it? Choosing Mozilla’s platform would have been better f…

* Firefox has a comparable reputation for their browser engine.*

Is this really true? someone posted somewhere(can't find it) where it shows Firefox has a worst security record compared to Chrome.

Also, in the past, Firefox was left out from hacking browser competitions because it was to easy to hack.

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Post by steve1977 »

duxup wrote: post #232
sime2009 wrote: post #184

Regarding the topic of browser mono-cultures, I was web developer in the post browser war era in the early 2000s where we had a dominant IE6 and a stagnant browser landscape. It was bad. Real bad. But I'm actually fairly positive about MS getting into the chromium landscape and back into the game. Let's face it MS had lost all of its influence in the browser world before dropping IE and making this move. It is a Goog…

I'm a noob web dev working in a small shop that sells a niche SaaS product. We had a customer push us to support Edge. The dev team (3 dudes) just looked at eachother and laid down the "No, Firefox or Chrome...". It's just so much pressure to dance around the "this one does this, that one doesn't" and generally we rarely run into any Firefox and Chrome issues. Edge, just not worth it for a small team. I'm glad we pro…

> We had a customer push us to support Edge.

Why though?

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by jzl »

kerpele wrote: post #146

If someone told the young Linux freak me back in the early 2000s that one day Internet Explorer’s rendering engine is based on the KDE rendering engine I would’ve probably died laughing and frozen in horror at the same time. Yeah, I realize there’s probably nothing left if the old KHTML but it still does give me a chuckle.

Hah. So true. Not to mention that Windows would one day have available an entirely integrated linux kernel direct from Microsoft[1].

[1] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/announcing-wsl-2/

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