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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by mike_d »

kerpele wrote: post #146

If someone told the young Linux freak me back in the early 2000s that one day Internet Explorer’s rendering engine is based on the KDE rendering engine I would’ve probably died laughing and frozen in horror at the same time. Yeah, I realize there’s probably nothing left if the old KHTML but it still does give me a chuckle.

An open source project released by Apple, that Google added a bunch of features to - including DRM, and Microsoft adopted to help unify the web for internal enterprise apps.

What a world we live in.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

ekianjo wrote: post #308
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wish they'd moved to Gecko instead of Chromium. It's not like Gecko is an inherently inferior engine by any stretch, and it would significantly bolster their marketshare so that developers actually have to test against it.

If you look at long term investments are you confident Gecko will still be around in 10 years? Chromium is the only safe choice they had.

If Microsoft had also gone with Gecko? Yeah, I'm quite confident Gecko would still be around (and maintained by many people other than Microsoft) in a decade.

I think it will be around anyway btw, although I'm perhaps less sure.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

lostmsu wrote: post #300
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #271

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I just wish they'd moved to Gecko instead of Chromium. It's not like Gecko is an inherently inferior engine by any stretch, and it would significantly bolster their marketshare so that developers actually have to test against it.

Or they could have open sourced EdgeHTML. It's not like it was worse, than Gecko.

It was worse than Gecko. Gecko is excellent.

Edge still has (had?) so many rendering issues on sites we make. One thing I find really impressive about Firefox, despite the completely different engine I _very_ rarely find FF-specific bugs.

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

endothrowho333 wrote: post #286
csallen wrote: post #247

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It's almost as if Google is a massive organization running hundreds of initiatives spanning decades, making it difficult to simplify things with a single description.

And yet one constant that connects all past Google projects: premature, without-warning shuttering of operations* * not all operations, but enough for it to become a cliche

Did you really feel the need to register, just to indulge in repeating this meme?

I get it, Reader was nice. But a decade has passed, and it’s getting tired.

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

macspoofing wrote: post #133
dessant wrote: post #99

I have published some of my extensions for the new Edge browser on their store [1], the submission experience was straightforward and pleasant, and the extensions were published in a couple of days after manual review. Updates were also reviewed and published in a timely manner. More importantly, during extension submissions and reviews I did not feel abused as a developer, something which I cannot say about the Chro…

>More importantly, during extension submissions and reviews I did not feel abused as a developer, something which I cannot say about the Chrome Web Store I suspect that would change if Edge gained significant market share. I think what happens is that as these platforms grow, they get targetted by spammers, malware, and scammers and consequently their processes harden and tolerances go down.

Since the extensions are identical to Chrome, they should piggyback on that store’s decisions. Or both should. That might ease some pressure and benefit everyone.

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Post by not_kurt_godel »

robbrown451 wrote: post #305
not_kurt_godel wrote: post #301

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I agree that there's a difference, but it's not necessarily one that the primal part of my brain cares about, regardless of what I know at a conscious/intellectual level. Furthermore, data that a machine knows is just one step away from becoming data that a human knows given sufficient curiosity or happenstance; a step into which you usually have no insight into whether or if it will occur.

Yeah, I hear ya, I guess my primal brain is different than yours. For instance, sometimes I feel a bit embarrassed by what I purchase at a store. (even if it's just that I'm buying a lot of junky, easy-to-prepare food at the grocery store) I've never once felt that way checking out at Amazon. Not even a teensy tiny bit. And that would remain true even if I suspected (or knew) that some human at Amazon was looking clo…

Buying something at a store isn't a good analogy. Uninterested members of the public being able to casually observe you buy something at the store is a perfectly normal part of society. A better analogy for today's internet is if you walked to the store holding a big sign with your credit card bill, texts to your friends, and a list of places you went today printed on it, and the street on the way was packed with people who were there for the sole purpose of taking pictures of that sign and selling them to whoever will buy. Targeted advertising would be the people who bought those pictures knocking on your door.

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Post by brewdad »

csallen wrote: post #247
gamblor956 wrote: post #205

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Conveniently leaving out the hundreds of times that Google has randomly terminated APIs or entire products with minimal if any forewarning, or reduced API functionality or pricing without forewarning, and the complete and utter lack of support [edit] Google provides to developers who don't already have their own twitter following.

It's almost as if Google is a massive organization running hundreds of initiatives spanning decades, making it difficult to simplify things with a single description.

And Microsoft is a feisty startup with a focused product line?

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

jpadkins wrote: post #128
jonny_eh wrote: post #102

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It's good to have alternatives.

do you believe Democrat and Republicans have significant policy differences?

We’re getting far OT. But the two US parties being identical, policy-wise, may have been an insightful oberservation during, say, the Clinton adminstration. To repeat it today is just completely ridiculous.

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Post by eyegor »

Nullabillity wrote: post #263
Asooka wrote: post #237

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One difference that stands out to me about Microsoft vs Google. Both are very heavy C++ shops. Both have invested in developing tools for enhancing developer productivity on their respective platforms (Windows and Linux). Yes, Linux is not a Google product (thank god) but it is what they build on. Microsoft's C++ IDE and debugger are the gold standard for productivity and ease of use - everyone who writes native appl…

Have you actually tried to use Visual Studio? It's an unusable piece of crap. The navigation is nearly unusable. Don't focus the project navigation on a tree browser if you're not going to integrate it into the rest of the navigation workflow. NuGet regularly fails silently to restore packages. It uses a virtual filesystem that usually maps 1:1 to the actual project folder.. except files created outside of VS are com…

As someone who uses visual studio + code literally every day, I'm not sure what you're referring to with most of these complaints.

The project/solution files are bog standard xml, and well documented, but in general you shouldn't need to touch them.

The migration from framework to core 3.0 is now very simple thanks to xaml support, but it used to be a huge hassle. You can literally just edit the tags in your csproj/fsproj/etc to enable different target frameworks, or you can use the ui [0], and then you'll need to do a nuget reinstall. One command [1].

As for running into bugs, they built bug/feature requests into the visual studio 2019 ide, or you can access it via the website [2]. They are usually very responsive, typically something within a couple of days.

[0] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57334018/visual-studio-2...

[1] open package manager console, type 'update-package -reinstall'.

[2] https://developercommunity.visualstudio.com

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