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Re: Mozilla lays off 70

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Post by zozbot234 »

remote_phone wrote: post #237

My friend used to work for Mozilla. She said she has never had a more boring job. She said there was no work to be done, her boss was remote and never asked her for deliverables. She was well paid with a 40% cash bonus and she would go on yearly boondoggles. I told her she should stay but she couldn’t bear it so she left after 2 years. She said part of it was that they couldn’t save money because they were a non prof…

This would be the Mozilla Foundation (not Corp), right? And I don't think it's literally true that a charitable foundation has to spend everything it gets - they can still save for a rainy day or even build up an endowment over time. They can't disburse profits obviously, but AIUI that's not the same thing as saving money internally.

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Post by banachtarski »

saagarjha wrote: post #225
dblohm7 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they ship their own rendering engines?

Yes.

Honestly calling BS.

Just writing a javascript runtime alone isn't just a "handful of engineers." WebGL stack? WebRTC? Layout engine/compositor? Notifications? You're kidding me, there is no small team in the world that could ship a browser stack end to end.

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Post by manfredo »

core-questions wrote: post #221
paul7986 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems odd in his tweet he noted he was unable to get funding in the valley for Brave. The guy created JavaScript and was a creator of Firefox. Don't get it ..as JS alone has contributed like how much to world economies, as well to almost every HN reader's wallet/bank.

He got cancelled for not supporting gay marriage. Nothing he has actually personally done or will do matters in this new moral calculus.

More specifically, he was asked to step down when it came to light that he donated to proposition 8. This proposition was passed. So by the logic of Eich's firing the majority of Californian voters would be excluded due to their political beliefs - a rather interesting take on inclusion.

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Post by x2f10 »

lizzard wrote: post #230

Well, it's been a truly amazing place to work, and I've enjoyed it so much, right up until being laid off today. Really the smartest and coolest engineers I've ever known and the best community! I have had my hand in shipping every version of Firefox since around version 30 and it's been great. Especially working in such an open environment. Onward to the next adventure.

I'm sorry to hear that. Thank you for helping create an amazing browser. Best wishes!

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Post by squarefoot »

pier25 wrote: post #255
throwaway123x2 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy how much FF's marketshare has dropped. It's such a great browser.

Hmm I don't know. I switched to FF 4 months ago and while the engine and dev tools are great, it's simply not as polished as the competition. For example just look at the alert popups[0], or the non native contextual menus, or the video pop icon. The UI is full of little quirks like that. The tab bar is by far the ugliest one of all current browsers, at least on macOS. It also misses important features such as multil…

It is a great browser, once we agree on priorities on what they should be great at. All modern browsers suck badly wrt UI. User interfaces dumbed down to unusability is the new fashion and both Chrome and Mozilla suffer equally from that (which is why I use Waterfox Classic). But while FF focuses on privacy, and definitely delivers in this context, Chrome and others don't, by design. I would happily trade 50% of everything else for 10% more privacy, because an ugly tab, panel, window, menu etc. does no harm compared to the potential disgrace caused by the loss of control on personal data.

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Post by Slashbot2 »

Those fucking idiots can't even do a browser right anymore... And that is literately what they started out with...

I mean is there any fucking reason why Mozilla can't add the same features that used to exist as addons for there own fucking browser pre quantum shit direction. When Vivaldi a chromium clone with far less staff and money behind it, has been able to implement at least some of the popular power addons Firefox used to have, as core supported features?!

... NO THERE IS NO REASON FOR THAT OTHER THAN COMPLETE INCOMPETENCE AND STUPID MANAGEMENT IMO, just look at Bugzilla, and the countless reports and feature requests for API changes or feature requests for them to implement things that are blocked by idiots at Mozilla staff.

The only thing that made Firefox even good ie Firefox 2.5-3.x, 4.x upto the Quantum crappy chrome clone direction .... was the addon developers who made rich and extensive addons to improve things where Mozilla did the bare minimum .. after 4.x Mozilla spent more time removing good things and introducing shit things....

Don't get me wrong they have at least kept up with making sure the browser backend can render latest HTML5, CSS3 spec etc,

However the the tech that made Firefox so developer customizable.. the thing that really gave evangelists and power users reason to promote the fucking thing, over shit like chrome which was faster but did fuck all really.. unless you consider its crappy and limited extension system actually good, when its complete shit and most the power addons firefox used to have can no longer be created web extensions.

Anyway yeah Mozilla.. retards, I'm sure most the skilled people have left already and its only run by SJW idiots.

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Post by malachismith »

zelly wrote: post #240
shawndrost wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person we're talking about is Mitchell Baker, who has spent over 20 years contributing to Mozilla, including years as a volunteer. She has been on Time's 100 most influential people list. She has directly authored many foundational pieces of Mozilla and (arguably) the internet. She is the founding CEO of the Mozilla Corporation, which pays her paycheck from its ~$500M in revenue. Mozilla Corp is the highly-profit…

Why not do if for less, if you are so dedicated to the supposed Mozilla cause? It is a non-profit after all. Random non-profit: Goodwill (way bigger than Mozilla) CEO makes $1,114,375[1]. PETA's CEO makes $31,285[2]. TOR Project executives receive $0 compensation[3]. [1] https://paddockpost.com/2018/02/03/executive-salaries-at-goo... [2] https://www.peta.org/misc/how-much-money-does-ingrid-newkirk... [3] https://www.…

Again... The Mozilla Corporation is NOT a non-profit.

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Post by rudolph9 »

musicale wrote: post #296

> “You may recall that we expected to be earning revenue in 2019 and 2020 from new subscription products as well as higher revenue from sources outside of search. This did not happen I don't want subscription garbage, and I don't want Firefox advertising stuff to me. However, I have no idea how I'd try to fund Mozilla when most of their work is on a product that they give away for free. I can't imagine that grants fr…

Donate.

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Post by shpeedy »

throwaway123x2 wrote: post #185
dman wrote: post #56

Brendan Eich has a helpful chart of Compensation of Highest paid executive at Mozilla vs Firefox market share over time. https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217512049716035584/p...

It's crazy how much FF's marketshare has dropped. It's such a great browser.

Firefox eats memory. 4GB of memory is barely enough to run browser and show few tabs.

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Post by iamaelephant »

malachismith wrote: post #159
dman wrote: post #56

Brendan Eich has a helpful chart of Compensation of Highest paid executive at Mozilla vs Firefox market share over time. https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217512049716035584/p...

To be clear... this charts the comp of ONE person at Mozilla (the Board Chair - and now interim CEO).

What's your point? That was already immediately clear from the comment, the tweet and the chart. So what's your angle?
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