Toyota is also doing this now, they began collecting data all 2020 models with TSS 2.0. They started insurance offerings to generate $$ off of this data, toyotaims.com.
What kind of data is my new car collecting?
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
That bike is way too old for ignition coils, it almost certainly has a distributor, which could be mechanically rotated.
That is false, ignition coils go back to... before the sixties at least, when magnetos were used. And no bike that I know of ever had a distributor.
Every motorcycle has to have a distributor, unless it's either so new that it has coil-on-plug like modern cars, or it's so old it uses magnetos, or it's a single-cylinder engine.
Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Busting through NAT is really easy... The car could just ping home and open the tunnel by itself when it sees the appropriate signal.
The whole thread doesn't hold water. It was just a mix of plausible, implausible, jargon and some profanity for relatability. Full quote: > model s and x use openvpn to talk to their backend. inside that backend there are metadata services that feed info to the system, one of those things being a ~20MB+ (generated by the worst erp system) json payload that describes supercharger shit for the map in the touchscreen. s…
Another interesting quote from this thread:
- "On that note, China has a law in place that mandates all electric cars send real time telemetry to their government servers - Model S/X/3, NIO cars and any other electric car if they're driving already complies with that law to be road certified"
- "Don't be surprised if that becomes a mandate in other countries"
Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?
#194Not too long ago I owned a motorcycle from the 70s. I realized at one point that it was probably EMP-proof: no fuel injection, no fuel pump, certainly no OBD anything, and a (literal) kickstarter. The most complicated thing in the wiring harness was the key cylinder and the relay for the turn signals and headlights. I miss that bike sometimes.
> I realized at one point that it was probably EMP-proof Different kind of bike, but I used to feel that way about my bicycles. However, sometime last year I was parking at the office and realised even that world is on its way out. The No-True-Scotsman actual cyclists have largely moved to electronic shifting and such, and the utility bikes are quickly moving to e-bikes.
>The No-True-Scotsman actual cyclists have largely moved to electronic shifting and such
Not true at all.
Electronic shifting is a thing, yes: google for "Shimano Di2". However, road bikes with this are usually at least $4k: it's really something reserved for very high-end road bikes. I got a $3k road bike last year and it doesn't have it, nor does anything else in the low-to-mid range. It'll likely be a while before it comes to low-end road bikes (which are generally still "high end" compared to cheap Walmart bikes)
>and the utility bikes are quickly moving to e-bikes.
Again, not really. There's at least an order of magnitude difference in pricing between a regular utility bike and an e-bike. I've been to cities recently where many, many people commute by bike, and only a very small percentage are e-bikes, though they are getting more popular, but still they're a LOT more money than a regular cheap bike.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not legal advice, and you should consult an attorney if you believe that an OEM may come after you for tampering with your own vehicle. That said, I believe that there is very limited legal recourse for a vehicle OEM who wants to prevent an end user from changing the data collection and upload features of their vehicles. The worst thing would be potentially voiding the warranty, but for 10-15 year old used ve…
I shouldn't need to attack my car with a soldering iron and wire cutters because I don't want to be tracked by it.
I agree it should be an opt in policy. This is why I'm against tollways because they don't immediately just charge me and toss the data after say 90 days. They keep where you've been essentially forever or until DOT forgets to back it up and the drive crashes.
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#196> “There’s just massive amounts of data being collected, and if you want the service, you have to agree to it. And people do agree to it, and they have relatively little control over things,” Scassa says. I'm curious what this will do to the used car market in 10-15 years. Say the original owner consented to all this data tracking. They go to sell the car to buy a new one, and the 2nd owner does not agree to the trac…
The 80's tractor market is heating up because farmers are tired of the problems of modern technology and how companies are using it [1]. I wonder if anyone will jump at the market for cars that don't track you. I wonder who would fund that. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21971545
The trouble is that this isn't true for large companies who are consolidating all the farms anyway. They can afford the the new equipment. This is just a niche thing for the family farm which is steadily dying off as they can't compete on price. Sure there will always be some family farms, but no doubt they will be driven to say "organic small farm raised" for the whole foods and farmer's market type niche of people. This "heating up" is a drop in the ocean.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the move to electric vehicles will actually collapse the second-hand car market - no-one wants to buy a car with batteries that no longer hold enough charge to complete a journey. We already see this effect with used laptops and smartphones, however I can never see changing your cars battery pack being a end-user activity.
If batteries get commoditized then it could be an easy process to replace the battery. It becomes no different than many other repairs you would typically make to make a used car sellable. However it will likely require legislation to ensure there's no DRM bullshit in the battery packs.
It becomes an issue because batteries are so much more expensive than other things you can get though. It's not replacing a alternator, it's replacing a $15000 battery "set". Also I'm hoping electric car longevity will prove out the value in this. Electric car drive trains "in principle" should have much longer lives than gas engines.
Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?
#198> “There’s just massive amounts of data being collected, and if you want the service, you have to agree to it. And people do agree to it, and they have relatively little control over things,” Scassa says. I'm curious what this will do to the used car market in 10-15 years. Say the original owner consented to all this data tracking. They go to sell the car to buy a new one, and the 2nd owner does not agree to the trac…
Swings and roundabouts in the EU: GDPR should clobber all the nonconsensual data collection, but there is also the "eCall" mandate that will require your car to phone in location to the emergency services in the event of a crash. (What happens when an EU national drives one of the American surveillancemobiles? Sounds like a straightforward GDPR violation to me, although good luck getting that resolved)
Does this mean that if you cut the wires to your antenna you will be jailed in Europe?
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Don't forget that Tesla is now in this space, and turning off Tesla's access to it will turn off your car, period. Which is super scary. A couple years ago one of their firmware engineers had his NDA expire, and he posted some stories about his time there in some forum. One of the stories that stuck with me is they were really sloppy with their updates. One time the pushed one that wasn't fully cooked (it might hav…
FYI, those details were originally posted on YOSPOS, a SomethingAwful sub-forum which is the world's best Internet forum for computer touchers. They regularly lambast HN via this thread. It would be great if more people read their criticisms of the community here. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=39...
I don't think anyone is going to pay $10 just to read that thread.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Smartphones aren't cars. Cars are much bigger, therefore easier to make [somewhat] modular. Furthermore, the recent hype with smartphones was smaller, thinner, and more glue.
To judge by what I've seen lately cars have started becoming full of tablets and tablet-like screens, those things will be expensive if not impossible to repair in 10-years' time.
It's already expensive. The Entune head unit in my Corolla would cost me $1000 for an OEM replacement (they have a known touchscreen issue), but an aftermarket head unit with way more features may run me ~$400 including a mounting kit, and that's if I splurge on a nice one. I may give up a few features by switching, but certainly not $600 worth of features.