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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by d1zzy »

arbitrage wrote: post #103
greatjack613 wrote: post #29

As much as I despise chromium controlling the browser market, having microsoft in the game should improve the situation, so kudos to them.

Monocultures never improve anything.

I disagree with such a vast general statement.

Yes there are problems to everyone using the same software but there are advantages too. One drawback is that potential security issues would affect "everyone" but on the other hand the same fix works for "everyone".

If the common software is open source it serves as de facto standard/reference implementation so you don't have compatibility issues. Standardization processes try to address this without reference software but IMO that is a lot more effort (in terms of engineering hours) to get it right so you can have a fully featured standard that is clear, has no bugs and has multiple perfectly standard compliant independent implementations.

After all software is just a tool to serve a purpose and our decisions in this area should be driven by pragmatic reasons alone. If we can serve the same purpose with much less effort by having everyone build on top of/use the same common base why not.

Similarly I'd rather see everyone just use Linux instead of all the different popular OSes we have.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by dubcanada »

withinboredom wrote: post #183
dubcanada wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a blank browser, has barely any "Google" specific stuff in it ready to go. It is easy to develop for, doesn't require cross language compiling (rust/c++), builds fast, easy to understand how the different parts work (at least for a browser developer it should be), has documentation, is meant to be used to develop your own browser.

Are you sure Chromium builds fast? lol, it takes my laptop with 12 cores and 64gb of ram over an hour to compile from scratch, not counting the ~20gb of git history to download (I maintain an internal build at work).

Well lol it is a rather complex piece of software, so maybe take that one back.

Firefox is comparable in that department.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by CheckBlanket »

Rapzid wrote: post #170
scanr wrote: post #20

It will make me happy to be able to stop supporting ie11 at some point in the future. Sadly, it doesn’t appear that ie11 will have an end of life date as it’ll be supported as long as Windows 10 is and Windows 10 appears evergreen. Hopefully Microsoft will make edge the default browser at some point.

IE11 is unofficially dead. Microsoft considers it a compatibility platform more than a browser.

Unfortunately, "unofficially" doesn't fly in a lot of workplaces. Until MS pluck up the courage and do everyone a favour, IE11 will continue to haunt developers. Now we got Legacy Edge too, whoopee.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by gamblor956 »

blowski wrote: post #109
dessant wrote: post #99

I have published some of my extensions for the new Edge browser on their store [1], the submission experience was straightforward and pleasant, and the extensions were published in a couple of days after manual review. Updates were also reviewed and published in a timely manner. More importantly, during extension submissions and reviews I did not feel abused as a developer, something which I cannot say about the Chro…

Because they need developers more than developers need them. If they become as dominant as Apple and Google in their respective spaces, expect your experience to degrade.

Microsoft has always been developer-first, even when they didn't need them, and even during the Ballmer era.

Google has never been about the developer experience, and is quite hostile to developers even when they need them. (See, e.g., Stadia.)

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by gamblor956 »

ghayes wrote: post #155
tus88 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder why... Microsoft: developers, developers, developers, developers! Google: advertisers, advertisers, advertisers, advertisers!

Google has for its entire history had strong ties to building a developer community. For instance Google Summer of Code [0] and here's a list of Google APIs with 179 current APIs [1]. [0] https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/ [1] https://developers.google.com/apis-explorer

Conveniently leaving out the hundreds of times that Google has randomly terminated APIs or entire products with minimal if any forewarning, or reduced API functionality or pricing without forewarning, and the complete and utter lack of support [edit] Google provides to developers who don't already have their own twitter following.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by cptskippy »

kerpele wrote: post #146

If someone told the young Linux freak me back in the early 2000s that one day Internet Explorer’s rendering engine is based on the KDE rendering engine I would’ve probably died laughing and frozen in horror at the same time. Yeah, I realize there’s probably nothing left if the old KHTML but it still does give me a chuckle.

Internet Explorer and Edge are two different products and co-exist. I wouldn't expect a Unix user to understand the difference though.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by alpb »

mrpippy wrote: post #173
altitudinous wrote: post #127

On MacOS it requires admin privilege to install. I am done with that after all the crap that previous software with admin rights installed. I cleaned it up and swore I would not install anything that required admin rights again - for my own security and peace of mind. What does it need admin rights for?

Maybe to install an autoupdater?

It doesn't use a TUF-like update protocol that Chrome uses?

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by mrr54 »

tus88 wrote: post #107
dessant wrote: post #99

I have published some of my extensions for the new Edge browser on their store [1], the submission experience was straightforward and pleasant, and the extensions were published in a couple of days after manual review. Updates were also reviewed and published in a timely manner. More importantly, during extension submissions and reviews I did not feel abused as a developer, something which I cannot say about the Chro…

Wonder why... Microsoft: developers, developers, developers, developers! Google: advertisers, advertisers, advertisers, advertisers!

And yet when I open Edge, I get a million ads for crappy tabloid news websites thrust in my face, while when I open Chrome I don't see any ads.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by moron4hire »

blowski wrote: post #109
dessant wrote: post #99

I have published some of my extensions for the new Edge browser on their store [1], the submission experience was straightforward and pleasant, and the extensions were published in a couple of days after manual review. Updates were also reviewed and published in a timely manner. More importantly, during extension submissions and reviews I did not feel abused as a developer, something which I cannot say about the Chro…

Because they need developers more than developers need them. If they become as dominant as Apple and Google in their respective spaces, expect your experience to degrade.

But Microsoft has a long history of providing good customer and developer support. Why would they change for just this one product?

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by cptskippy »

vtail wrote: post #123
zerr wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, I thought FF being a XUL app should've been easier to customize.

Firefox is actively moving away from XUL.

I thought they finished that recently when they announced the UI was no longer XUL based. Is there still more work to go?
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