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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by kodablah »

_bxg1 wrote: post #93
dubcanada wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly Chromium is WAYYYY easier to development on than Firefox. Had Mozilla spent effort making the base of it as a framework in the same way Chromium is, they may have considered it. There is a reason why Electron, QT etc use Chromium.

I was just thinking, "Why isn't there an Electron for Firefox?"

They worked on it a bit [0] but it has been abandoned along with all the other embedding efforts over time. As someone who embeds Chromium (via CEF) only because it's easy, I would really appreciate (and have been shouting into the wind about) focus on the embeddability of Gecko.

0 - https://github.com/mozilla/positron

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by jonny_eh »

pizza wrote: post #98
c-smile wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why I think having multiple browser implementations is beneficial. Proposal to Democrats: to unite with Republicans in one party as Republicans have "better development tools".

Although I don't think such a comment is appropriate for this thread, I'm curious as to what you mean.

It's good to have alternatives.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by kylealden »

pacala wrote: post #31
rdiddly wrote: post #26

Linked at https://microsoftedgewelcome.microsoft.com/en-us/privacy : "We will honor your choices about browsing data and collect only what is needed to make your experiences better."

Meaningless. There are people claiming with a straight face that targeted ads make user experience better. Wholesale collection and aggregation of personal user data will continue unabated.

If you're interested in exactly what data is collected and what it is used for, this whitepaper is fairly exhaustive: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/privacy-whit...

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by dspillett »

irrational wrote: post #23
scanr wrote: post #20

It will make me happy to be able to stop supporting ie11 at some point in the future. Sadly, it doesn’t appear that ie11 will have an end of life date as it’ll be supported as long as Windows 10 is and Windows 10 appears evergreen. Hopefully Microsoft will make edge the default browser at some point.

2025 is the official end of life year. You can find a page on MS's website with all the end of life dates.

I've heard the 2025 date before, but I think that is only based on a "time since release" metric.

For IE versions the support windows have always been "X years since release (or perhaps X years since the next version), or until all Windows variant released with it are EOL". If Win10 is indeed evergreen, then that second part will never expire. Perhaps they'll count the biannual Windows feature updates instead of Win10 as a whole, and so count it from when they stop releasing install media with IE11 on them, but as that hasn't happened yet, we'll still be some years away for IE11 stopping. Even then '11 will still be around in some environments for a while after EOL.

We only recently got rid of IE8 support for some of our clients as they stopped using it. That was mainly because of the then upcoming EOL of IE8 in sync with the EOL of Win7/Win2008 (the last versions released with IE8). I hear some are not so lucky... I expect IE11 to be a problem (though an increasingly small one, thankfully) for some time to come.

In any case, can you link (or screenshot if it doesn't cooperate with deep linking) to an official page listing 2025? I'm not seeing that.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by The_rationalist »

dtrailin wrote: post #16
llampx wrote: post #3

If you use the PDF or e-book functionality in Edge, you may want to hold off on upgrading. The PDF scrolling is not as smooth as on the older version.

I think generally scrolling is less smooth than in the old edge. That was one thing they got right and hopefully we'll see improvements in this area upstream in chromium.

They are working on it.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by tus88 »

dessant wrote: post #99

I have published some of my extensions for the new Edge browser on their store [1], the submission experience was straightforward and pleasant, and the extensions were published in a couple of days after manual review. Updates were also reviewed and published in a timely manner. More importantly, during extension submissions and reviews I did not feel abused as a developer, something which I cannot say about the Chro…

Wonder why...

Microsoft: developers, developers, developers, developers!

Google: advertisers, advertisers, advertisers, advertisers!

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by mistersquid »

c-smile wrote: post #76

What happened with font rendering? Fonts are rendered with thinner lines in new Edge (on the left): http://terrainformatica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IE-fo... Such rendering does not match rest of Windows... New Edge is definitely less readable, and Google Chrome exhibits the same problem.

> New Edge is definitely less readable, and Google Chrome exhibits the same problem.

The left render has less contrast but, to my eyes, is clearer. Look, for example, at the upvote and downvote buttons.

The right image's buttons are faint and blurred (jaggy), while the left image's buttons are sharp.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by blowski »

dessant wrote: post #99

I have published some of my extensions for the new Edge browser on their store [1], the submission experience was straightforward and pleasant, and the extensions were published in a couple of days after manual review. Updates were also reviewed and published in a timely manner. More importantly, during extension submissions and reviews I did not feel abused as a developer, something which I cannot say about the Chro…

Because they need developers more than developers need them. If they become as dominant as Apple and Google in their respective spaces, expect your experience to degrade.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by The_rationalist »

arbitrage wrote: post #103
greatjack613 wrote: post #29

As much as I despise chromium controlling the browser market, having microsoft in the game should improve the situation, so kudos to them.

Monocultures never improve anything.

What about the Linux kernel? Not understanding that an open source software can be co-created by many actors is a failure of understanding.
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