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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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What happened with font rendering? Fonts are rendered with thinner lines in new Edge (on the left): http://terrainformatica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IE-fo... Such rendering does not match rest of Windows... New Edge is definitely less readable, and Google Chrome exhibits the same problem.

I'll be honest, it took me a solid three minutes of looking back and forth between those pictures before I could see a difference

really? it's quite stark, especially if you examine the "y"s

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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What happened with font rendering? Fonts are rendered with thinner lines in new Edge (on the left): http://terrainformatica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IE-fo... Such rendering does not match rest of Windows... New Edge is definitely less readable, and Google Chrome exhibits the same problem.

Chromium has font rendering built into it, I am guessing Microsoft didn't ripe it out and replace it with their own as it's not cross platform.

That's why I think having multiple browser implementations is beneficial.

Proposal to Democrats: to unite with Republicans in one party as Republicans have "better development tools".

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish they had thrown in with helping Firefox instead of handing even more web influence over to Google. A percentage of what Microsoft spent on EdgeHTML contributed to the Firefox project—ideally as employee time—would go a long way, along with the counterbalance of putting the Firefox engine and code base front and center of more Windows users.

Sadly Chromium is WAYYYY easier to development on than Firefox. Had Mozilla spent effort making the base of it as a framework in the same way Chromium is, they may have considered it. There is a reason why Electron, QT etc use Chromium.

I was just thinking, "Why isn't there an Electron for Firefox?"

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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post #76

What happened with font rendering? Fonts are rendered with thinner lines in new Edge (on the left): http://terrainformatica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IE-fo... Such rendering does not match rest of Windows... New Edge is definitely less readable, and Google Chrome exhibits the same problem.

It's more readable to me. Eye doctor always tells me to distinguish between darker/fatter and more focused.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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I get why Microsoft did what they did. I just still wish they would have at least OSS'd EdgeHTML instead of just shoving it in a closet somewhere.

I wish they had thrown in with helping Firefox instead of handing even more web influence over to Google. A percentage of what Microsoft spent on EdgeHTML contributed to the Firefox project—ideally as employee time—would go a long way, along with the counterbalance of putting the Firefox engine and code base front and center of more Windows users.

I suspect that their work in using Electron for things like VSCode made switching Edge over to Blink more enticing. I wonder if they ever considered looking at the Mozilla frameworks

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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So as somewhat of an outsider to the 'web game' as far as most people here (at HN) are concerned, but a relatively aware patron of web browsing software, I'll add my thoughts on the 'web browser' game... I feel like most people's browser of choice is chosen for reasons specific to their needs. For example: I think that Firefox gives me a bit of additional privacy. I think that Safari gives me that additional privacy…

They are basically paying you a tiny bit to use Edge and Bing with their rewards program. You get points, which can be converted to Microsoft Gift Cards and some other stuff.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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post #76

What happened with font rendering? Fonts are rendered with thinner lines in new Edge (on the left): http://terrainformatica.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IE-fo... Such rendering does not match rest of Windows... New Edge is definitely less readable, and Google Chrome exhibits the same problem.

I'm going to take a guess that this is mostly due to the use of Skia. I think the problem is not so much with the rendering of fonts (which is still likely DWrite) but with the compositing of them onto the canvas. There, it's extremely difficult to get gamma right.

I am sympathetic to this, as I've spent a lot of time at the low levels of this stuff. Unfortunately, one problem is that there is no one "right answer," and not really a lot of authoritative guidance on what's preferred. Some people prefer higher contrast, others prefer minimal distortion of the shapes and spacing. It's always a tradeoff.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chromium has font rendering built into it, I am guessing Microsoft didn't ripe it out and replace it with their own as it's not cross platform.

That's why I think having multiple browser implementations is beneficial. Proposal to Democrats: to unite with Republicans in one party as Republicans have "better development tools".

Although I don't think such a comment is appropriate for this thread, I'm curious as to what you mean.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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I have published some of my extensions for the new Edge browser on their store [1], the submission experience was straightforward and pleasant, and the extensions were published in a couple of days after manual review. Updates were also reviewed and published in a timely manner.

More importantly, during extension submissions and reviews I did not feel abused as a developer, something which I cannot say about the Chrome Web Store [2][3].

So I am happy that Microsoft has not only renewed their effort in this space, but they're also offering a decent alternative for developers who would rather not deal with Google.

[1] https://microsoftedge.microsoft.com/addons/category/Edge-Ext...

[2] https://github.com/dessant/search-by-image/issues/63

[3] https://github.com/dessant/youtube-autoplay/issues/3

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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It will make me happy to be able to stop supporting ie11 at some point in the future. Sadly, it doesn’t appear that ie11 will have an end of life date as it’ll be supported as long as Windows 10 is and Windows 10 appears evergreen. Hopefully Microsoft will make edge the default browser at some point.

> Hopefully Microsoft will make edge the default browser at some point.

Isn't is already for fresh Win10 installs? Or are you meaning "new Edge"?

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