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What kind of data is my new car collecting?
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Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?
#42> A car camera for Affectiva, a company that is developing technology for measuring driver emotions, in Boston, on Oct. 6, 2018.
No. Just no. Why would anyone allow collecting this kind of information? There is no way it can't (so, won't) be used against you. Everyone gets angry from time to time.
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I had a diesel car that I once drove with no alternator and no battery: started off a jump and drove to the auto parts store. Radio, windows, and lights were dead, but the car drove fine.
That's how diesel works, off its own compression.
Yeah - I remember when I was a volunteer firefighter - if you parked a fire truck in an atmosphere that was filled with combustible gasses, the engine would not shut off.
The trucks were equipped with some type of an emergency throw should that situation ever arise. We never had to use it in my time there.
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#44One thing that's interesting to me is, modern cars know (relatively accurately) whether you're speeding or not. They have GPS and a database of speed limits. Also depending on what's in the car, they may know who was driving it. How long before a speed safety campaign starts arguing that car manufacturers should be handing over information about people breaking the law in their cars to law enforcement...
The information is still not even remotely accurate enough for this to work without ridiculously high levels of false positives.
An obvious example would be in Germany. The autobahn for example has sections that are unrestricted, but those same sections are 130kmh (or sometimes lower) if it's between certain times or raining or whatever.
Half of the time my car interprets that as just being 130.
Outside of that; there are countless instances of my car thinking I'm in an 80kmh zone when it's actually 100, 120, whatever. I can override that because I know what the actual speed limit is. Would the car be constantly reporting back that I'm doing a bad?
Ultimately I reckon perfect enforcement of this would just stop me bothering. I'll get someone else to drive me around like an Uber and they can take the endless tickets instead.
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>I'm curious what this will do to the used car market in 10-15 years. Depends on LEO. If it is easier to deal with trackable cars, then untrackable cars will be hotter than black tinted windows and radar detectors. It already is, to some extent; why can I not gut my catalytic converter & change some programming so my car says the outputs are fine? Because the state wants me to get rid of my old functional car to supp…
> why can I not gut my catalytic converter & change some programming so my car says the outputs are fine? Because the state wants me to get rid of my old functional car to support the economy of newer more expensive vehicles. ...also probably to protect the environment?
tHe sTaTE wAnTs tO cOnTroL me!!!!
modifies car to literally emit noxious emissions everywhere
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#46Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?
#47One thing that's interesting to me is, modern cars know (relatively accurately) whether you're speeding or not. They have GPS and a database of speed limits. Also depending on what's in the car, they may know who was driving it. How long before a speed safety campaign starts arguing that car manufacturers should be handing over information about people breaking the law in their cars to law enforcement...
IMO, it's more likely that humans will be mostly priced out of driving, via insurance, once the data show that self-driving vehicles are safer. It still isn't settled exactly how insurance will work on a car without a steering wheel. Will the manufacturer insure its entire fleet or will the customer insure their personal vehicle? Or will there be something entirely new, like a government approved industry standard that shifts liability to the public?
Whatever happens, insurers will make it more and more expensive for a human to drive a car once it becomes clear that it's safer for a computer to do the driving.
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#48Not too long ago I owned a motorcycle from the 70s. I realized at one point that it was probably EMP-proof: no fuel injection, no fuel pump, certainly no OBD anything, and a (literal) kickstarter. The most complicated thing in the wiring harness was the key cylinder and the relay for the turn signals and headlights. I miss that bike sometimes.
There is an urban fantasy series called "The Rivers of London" series after the first book (or "Peter Grant"-series after the main character) and magic interferes with (in the sense of completely fries ) more complicated electronics there, so his master (the last fully qualified wizard of Great Britain) also drives an old Jaguar that is all-mechanical and therefore magic-proof. Very entertaining series with lots of r…
That reminds me quantum bogodynamics:
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#49Will the impersonal multinational corporations that control the software in you car be looking out for your best interests?
Will the data collected about you and your behavior be used in ways that never go against your best interests?
Can individual software developers and teams working for these corporations do much about this if they disagree with it?
The answer to these and many other related questions is probably not.
Little by little, we human beings are gradually building a panopticon monitored by machines under the control of corporate organisms whose behavior is beyond the control of most human beings. As an example, think about about all the people at Google who have tried, mostly without success, to prevent it from acting like every other impersonal corporation. There's nothing preventing it.
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#50I'd really love to see companies start being proud to be "dumb" and disconnected.
and you'll pay a very large premium for it, too, unfortunately, since the company has to close off another revenue stream.
Fine with me. At this point I'd pay regular price plus the expected discount from data collection, just to be sure. Call it a "privacy fee" and I won't even be mad.