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Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by thulecitizen »

lb1lf wrote: post #5
thulecitizen wrote: post #4

Am I the only one who thinks that in the future we might have with us at all times some sort of complex infrared video-camera-blocking tech, together with a sound jammer?

No worries. If such surveillance devices become widespread, complex infrared video-camera-blocking tech will be outlawed - after all, they are there to provide security and prevent crime, hence anybody trying to thwart them is either against security or a criminal... /s

> anybody trying to thwart them is either against security or a criminal

Please could you tell me what you read in this article?

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/britain-stole-45-t...

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Post by quotha »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #25
harimau777 wrote: post #15

I often see people say that we don't have an expectation of privacy in public. However, it seems to me that ignores the nuance of actual social norms. - Eavesdropping is generally considered anti-social. - Taking up-skirt pictures in public is, I presume, illegal. - If someone buys their prescriptions at a public grocery store, would it be alright for someone in the store to photograph their medical data? It seems to…

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin? Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

That's called hypocracy

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Post by csorrell »

joncrane wrote: post #33
Nasrudith wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clifford Stoll himself admitted that he was hillariously wrong. As for Ted Kaczynski - he was a goddamned moron was no sense of history or prehistory and absolutely no coherent plan. 1. Send mail bombs to iniversities and airports 2. ??? 3. Downfall of industrial society 4. Industrial society somehow won't establish itself again as technology grants advantages desperately needed to survive making the whole plan cruel…

"Absolute moron" is a bit unkind when he was an unsuspecting subject of CIA research into the effects of LSD, isn't it?

No, I don't think LSD was involved. Just psychological abuse.

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Post by sp332 »

harimau777 wrote: post #15

I often see people say that we don't have an expectation of privacy in public. However, it seems to me that ignores the nuance of actual social norms. - Eavesdropping is generally considered anti-social. - Taking up-skirt pictures in public is, I presume, illegal. - If someone buys their prescriptions at a public grocery store, would it be alright for someone in the store to photograph their medical data? It seems to…

Exceptions have to be banned individually. Upskirt photos are a good example because everyone assumes they'd automatically be illegal, but that's not how it works.

https://time.com/15432/massachusetts-poised-to-ban-upskirt-p...

https://www.bustle.com/articles/86029-oregon-attempts-to-ban...

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Post by usefulcat »

WBrad wrote: post #40
vezycash wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard. Please mention one politician who works against their own interest. Cos I don't know any.

Bernie Sanders is a millionaire who will absolutely raise his own tax rate for the good of the country.

Another way to interpret that is that he values getting elected to the presidency more than the cost of any tax hike he might sign into law as president.

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Post by michaelt »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #25
harimau777 wrote: post #15

I often see people say that we don't have an expectation of privacy in public. However, it seems to me that ignores the nuance of actual social norms. - Eavesdropping is generally considered anti-social. - Taking up-skirt pictures in public is, I presume, illegal. - If someone buys their prescriptions at a public grocery store, would it be alright for someone in the store to photograph their medical data? It seems to…

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin? Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

I've heard paparazzi justifying their actions with an argument that if you want newspapers to report you visited a school or factory or charity event - which politicians all do - you also consent to newspapers reporting you visited a strip club.

Personally I don't find that 100% convincing - people like child celebrities and members of the royal family aren't given a choice - but nobody gets made state senator by accident!

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Post by rodonn »

joncrane wrote: post #33
Nasrudith wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clifford Stoll himself admitted that he was hillariously wrong. As for Ted Kaczynski - he was a goddamned moron was no sense of history or prehistory and absolutely no coherent plan. 1. Send mail bombs to iniversities and airports 2. ??? 3. Downfall of industrial society 4. Industrial society somehow won't establish itself again as technology grants advantages desperately needed to survive making the whole plan cruel…

"Absolute moron" is a bit unkind when he was an unsuspecting subject of CIA research into the effects of LSD, isn't it?

He was involved in brutalizing psychological experiments by a researcher who was involved in LSD-based research for the CIA, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence Ted himself participated in any of the LSD-based research. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2000/7/14/murray-center-s... https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard...

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Post by kuzimoto »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #16
londons_explore wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect moreso if it becomes common knowledge exactly what the 'police baby seat' looks like, police investigatons might be compromised. I'd like to see the risk assessment of whoever made that baby seat though - removing a chunk of foam and replacing it with electronics doesn't sound good for the baby's health in case of an accident, and I doubt very much the manufacturer of police spy gear has the expertise to re…

>I suspect moreso if it becomes common knowledge exactly what the 'police baby seat' looks like, police investigatons might be compromised. I think it's more likely that they don't want to be forced to reduce their profit margin by having to embed their crap in a wider variety of baby seats, grave markets, alarm clocks, etc. If they can skate by with one or two models of each they will make more money. >Removing a ch…

Why is it assumed that the safety of the car seat is compromised because of installing a camera? There is plenty of void space inside of a car seat. The only foam sections of the seats I have are around the head-area. The rest is just plastic with a slightly padded cover.
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