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iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by distances »

Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

> I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last ten years.

You greatly overestimate people's will to pay extra. I know my own experiences are also biased, but nobody I know would pay for iPhone themselves. Either they use company iPhone, or buy themselves an Android phone.

Apple has completely outpriced themselves from the majority of the market. Doesn't matter if it's $500 or $1000, I'd say the usual cap is somewhere around $300 in Europe and much less elsewhere.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by scarface74 »

itsjloh wrote: post #345
Accacin wrote: post #315

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I understand what you're saying, but at least for me it's not so bad. I started using Android from the G1, and was a massive fun of customising my phone with custom ROMS, etc. I eventually switched to iPhone and whilst I have jailbroken my phone before, I reverted it when I realised I didn't have much reason to need a jailbreak on my phone. I would still love the ability to sideload, but if that's my tradeoff for not…

How do you backup your photos to your home network? Been wanting to do this for ages!

Using the iCloud Windows app. It syncs folders to a drive you choose. That drive gets backed up with Backblaze.

I also have photo syncing turned on for OneDrive and Google Photos.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by samoa42 »

yc12340 wrote: post #236
saagarjha wrote: post #73

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Mosh has a number of issues, though. IIRC it doesn't do scrollback, and being "non-standard" it can be problematic to set up.

Mosh has a lot of issues. Most notably it lacks flow control [1] and does not handle packet loss or truncation [2]. Very sad, because the idea behind Mosh is great. 1: https://github.com/mobile-shell/mosh/issues/957 2: https://github.com/mobile-shell/mosh/issues/950

been using mosh with various shitty networks around europe and it always felt better than plain ssh.

1. seems a egde case, never hit me while beeing a customer there. (funny way telefonica does throttling)

2. seems a edge case caused by the users vpn.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by scarface74 »

damnyou wrote: post #397
benbristow wrote: post #306

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Lightning cables are more popular than USB-C cables at this point. If I'm at a party or something usually someone has an iPhone cable, USB-C, not so much. To be honest with an iPhone there's not much reason to want to sideload anything. Sideloading on Android is dodgy enough with dodgy APKs. Who knows what they're doing in the background? At least with the App Store (and Play Store for that matter) being a walled gar…

Good job signaling that both you and your social circles have a certain degree of affluence. I live in the SFBA, hang out with people at all income levels, and I'd say over 70% use Android. Among richer people it's more 50-50. It's pretty easy to get USB-C chargers among my friends.

Almost anyone can afford an iPhone. All four major carriers and Apple offer no interest payment plans. Spread over 24 months, the difference between an iPhone and an Android phone is negligible.

If having an iPhone is a symbol of “affluence”, half of the US is affluent.

Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t jibe with broader statistics.

Edit: For complete transparency, I am seeing ranges from 42% - 50% market share in the US depending on the site.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236550/percentage-of-us-...

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Post by heedlessly3 »

scarface74 wrote: post #395
Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

I’m an iOS user but Apple will never be the dominant phone vendor. The average selling price of an Android phone is $248. The cheapest iPhone is $475. Apple doesn’t have the stomach to compete on price and the vast majority of consumers aren’t going to pay Apple prices. If people cared about privacy, the majority of them wouldn’t be on Facebook. They know that FB tracks them and advertises based on the data they coll…

iPhone's user interface is way more visually appealing.

You can also get an iPhone 8 on ebay for $200. So you can get the best of both worlds of price & UI.

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Post by samatman »

mbel wrote: post #336
adrianN wrote: post #324

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We should just force companies by law to provide software patches for anything that can connect to a network for at least five years, better ten, or be liable for security problems.

Then they will provide something. In the best case regular security updates, I can imagine any reasonable way to force them to add new features during support period.

It's trivial, actually.

Google would need to make it a requirement for bundling their services. Since the major distributers are utterly dependent on Google/Android, they'd do it.

Making it a legal requirement would be challenging, but making it a de facto requirement for all major phone vendors is easy.

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Post by damnyou »

scarface74 wrote: post #404
damnyou wrote: post #397

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Good job signaling that both you and your social circles have a certain degree of affluence. I live in the SFBA, hang out with people at all income levels, and I'd say over 70% use Android. Among richer people it's more 50-50. It's pretty easy to get USB-C chargers among my friends.

Almost anyone can afford an iPhone. All four major carriers and Apple offer no interest payment plans. Spread over 24 months, the difference between an iPhone and an Android phone is negligible. If having an iPhone is a symbol of “affluence”, half of the US is affluent. Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t jibe with broader statistics. Edit: For complete transparency, I am seeing ranges from 42% - 50% market share in the…

Correct, the US is the richest country on earth. In the rest of the world Androids are more popular.

I guarantee you that if most of your friends have iPhones, your friends' incomes are probably on the higher end, statistically.

Don't those payment plans require good credit, anyway? A lot of my friends don't have that.

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Post by sigwinch28 »

Although it doesn't stop DNS over HTTPS, I use a DNS sinkhole on my home network and then I use wireguard to VPN into home when I'm not connected to my home WiFi.

The Wireguard iOS app allows you to automatically connect to your configured interfaces based on whether you're using cellular data, connected to specific SSIDs, or disconnected from specific SSIDs.

The only downside I have found to this approach so far is that it can break captive portals on public WiFi networks, which I will just disconnect from if I have a reasonable 4G signal.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by maest »

scarface74 wrote: post #404
damnyou wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good job signaling that both you and your social circles have a certain degree of affluence. I live in the SFBA, hang out with people at all income levels, and I'd say over 70% use Android. Among richer people it's more 50-50. It's pretty easy to get USB-C chargers among my friends.

Almost anyone can afford an iPhone. All four major carriers and Apple offer no interest payment plans. Spread over 24 months, the difference between an iPhone and an Android phone is negligible. If having an iPhone is a symbol of “affluence”, half of the US is affluent. Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t jibe with broader statistics. Edit: For complete transparency, I am seeing ranges from 42% - 50% market share in the…

> If having an iPhone is a symbol of “affluence”, half of the US is affluent.

I mean, it's probably the richer half that owns iPhones, so it's consistent with what you said.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by zaroth »

lucasverra wrote: post #292
jvzr wrote: post #288

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Just a heads up: Apple in their guidelines tell developers not to do that, and yet they do send some notifications advertising their products and/or services sometimes (recently for Apple TV+). They also do not police developers' notifications, so some developers abuse it. Just an example: I love Slopes and its lone developer deserves all the praise, and yet a week ago I've received an unwarranted ad for the paid sub…

Apple is not allowing notifications in Safari browser iOS. Maybe For UX (they say) or differentiation for native apps (their P&L sheet says) - Happy iOS user and web entrepreneur.

IMO the only way those notifications should be allowed to even be prompted for is after pinning a site to your home screen.

I’m not sure if iOS does this for any other permissions, but it would be natural to allow additional prompts for access to APIs that are otherwise banned - based on if the web app is pined / “installed”.

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