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Post by whatever_dude »

mannykannot wrote: post #183
sandofsky wrote: post #163

For people who don’t understand what he’s talking about, this is a reference to Lambda School. In the last few weeks, folks have been coming out of the woodwork with stories of illegal, negligent, and abusive behavior. https://twitter.com/brokenimageheap/status/12132089537542021...

If this allegation about the intent of Graham's article is correct, then that article comes across as disingenuous and passive-aggressive, regardless of its validity with respect to haters in general.

I've admired PG and his essays for a while, but I've started paying more attention, and thus I'm starting to realize he's somewhat thin skinned like that; this is exactly the feeling I got after reading this new one.

Similarly, he's been passive aggressively "responding" to VC criticism by subtweeting and deflecting, and never directly addressing, some of the points raised by @DHH and others.

I take everything he writes with a grain of salt now. As a result, I started to realize his essays tend to be can defensive or just contain a lot of bias, rather than being truly introspective.

Re: Haters

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Post by nicesnowoman »

orf wrote: post #146
KirinDave wrote: post #143

What if the reason haters are using the word "fraud" is not because of sour grape chewing about the random vagaries of chance, but because the company (at the behest of their leadership) has been lying to their customers about such things as: 1. Their employee list (not updating it quickly after major staffing changes) 2. Legal status: misrepresenting to the public and to customers that the company is licensed to ope…

Care to link to the story?

https://twitter.com/nwilliams030/status/1213475354314039298

Re: Haters

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Post by Fnoord »

marvin wrote: post #112
paganel wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the OP but as I grew older I started to realize that calling someone a “loser” (seen as bad) just because they haven’t “achieved” much is simply not ok, it only helps to prolong this (I think unhealthy) state of affairs where everyone should be seen as doing something, anything, preferably something “productive”.

This is unrelated to the article, but: Regarding the sense of the word loser you're using, there's also a fallacious aspect to it. Someone's worth as a human isn't defined by what they want to/are able to contribute with in society. You could live a perfectly good life that didn't contribute much more than your own survival and happiness. I think that a majority of the people who post on HN are ambitious people who h…

I find it fascinating how civil servant jobs don't pay well, yet the workers work for the government (and therefore, the people). David Graeber in Bullshit Jobs touches on this subject. And then just today there was this story about Kevin Rosenberg [1] who, after failing to pay off his debts by working hard, sued successfully to have his student loans discharged via bankruptcy. Yet he served 5 years in the military, and studied to become a lawyer (which he ultimately did not pursue a career in because of the conundrum between helping people versus getting paid well). Is he a loser? The word loser is a simple ad hominem, a DH1 based on PG's own essay about How To Disagree [2].

[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/student-loans-discharged-in-b...

[2] http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Re: Haters

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Post by thulecitizen »

burfog wrote: post #267
barry-cotter wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a good example, consider Greta Thunberg. Regardless of your opinion of her, she is out there every day campaigning for a proper response to climate change. In doing so, she’s devoting her life to helping (even saving) all of us, trying to ensure that when your grandkids grow up they’re not living in some godawful scenario. And then her reward is so much hatred and vitriol from people who aren’t in prison living…

Greta Thunberg is an abused child. Her father, with a prior career in social media, is running the show. That recent Facebook bug even revealed that he was posting on her behalf: https://i.imgur.com/KdsN3u7.jpg It's really sad that she doesn't get to be a kid. She is being used.

Bullllshit.

"Greta Thunberg - January 11 at 7:36 PM:

Some people have been asking who manages this page. First of all, since last spring I only use Facebook to repost what I write on my Twitter and Instagram accounts.

Since I have chosen not to be on Facebook personally ( I tried early on but decided it wasn’t for me) I use my father Svantes account to repost content, because you need an account to moderate a Facebook page. The rest that is shared on Facebook is reposted from Twitter and Instagram by the guy who founded the Greta Thunberg Facebook page long before I knew it existed. His name is Adarsh Prathap and he lives in India. Since a lot of people thought it was my official page in the beginning I asked if I could co-manage it and he said yes.

All texts posted on my Facebook page has of course been written by me, just like everything else."

Source: https://www.facebook.com/gretathunbergsweden/posts/103195633...

Re: Haters

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Post by burfog »

thulecitizen wrote: post #304
burfog wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greta Thunberg is an abused child. Her father, with a prior career in social media, is running the show. That recent Facebook bug even revealed that he was posting on her behalf: https://i.imgur.com/KdsN3u7.jpg It's really sad that she doesn't get to be a kid. She is being used.

Bullllshit. "Greta Thunberg - January 11 at 7:36 PM: Some people have been asking who manages this page. First of all, since last spring I only use Facebook to repost what I write on my Twitter and Instagram accounts. Since I have chosen not to be on Facebook personally ( I tried early on but decided it wasn’t for me) I use my father Svantes account to repost content, because you need an account to moderate a Faceboo…

That is exactly what a puppetmaster would say.

Re: Haters

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Post by thulecitizen »

burfog wrote: post #305
thulecitizen wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bullllshit. "Greta Thunberg - January 11 at 7:36 PM: Some people have been asking who manages this page. First of all, since last spring I only use Facebook to repost what I write on my Twitter and Instagram accounts. Since I have chosen not to be on Facebook personally ( I tried early on but decided it wasn’t for me) I use my father Svantes account to repost content, because you need an account to moderate a Faceboo…

That is exactly what a puppetmaster would say.

Yes, you caught her. Well done! Will you send your address so I can send you your trophy?

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Post by yowlingcat »

tempsy wrote: post #214
rjdagost wrote: post #172

I have to totally disagree with this statement: > There are of course some people who are genuine frauds. How can you distinguish between x calling y a fraud because x is a hater, and because y is a fraud? Look at neutral opinion. Actual frauds are usually pretty conspicuous. Thoughtful people are rarely taken in by them. So if there are some thoughtful people who like y, you can usually assume y is not a fraud. Just…

This feels out of touch in light of Epstein, who had connections to MIT, Harvard, Bill Gates, etc

Exceedingly so. I used to really enjoy pg's writing back in the day, but now I find it myopic, stunted, tone-deaf, and predictable VCese, regularly oversimplifying (either out of ignorance or willful avoidance) the most important failure modes that any given controversy would raise. You see him double down on this with his handwaving regarding Away's CEO.
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