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iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

I don't get it, where do you see ads in android? If anything I use android for the ad-less experience, youtube vanced etc.

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Post by saagarjha »

lilyball wrote: post #89
saagarjha wrote: post #87

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You can pick a version of the SDK without "Guest mode" support that will not use Bluetooth.

I'm pretty sure before iOS 13 came out there was no option to remove bluetooth. So any apps that haven't updated to the newer SDK will still be requesting bluetooth access.

Yeah, something like that. The change was made in response to iOS 13.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by saagarjha »

w-ll wrote: post #82
saagarjha wrote: post #75

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You sure it's not just putting them on iCloud Keychain?

I use a Thinkpad :(

Apparently it's E2E encrypted: https://docs.termius.com/termius-handbook/synchronization?

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by jzvxkxbxjx »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #83
Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

I have never owned an ios device in my life and strongly avoid them but this makes drift slightly over considering one. If apple allowed easily sideloading apps I would consider moving over.

“ If apple allowed easily sideloading apps I would consider moving over.”

This was the reason I was an android guy until my wife told me to just get a phone that works.

And you know what? Not letting you side load is a feature. When you see it like that, you care a lot less about your phone, and just appreciate that it works and that you can trust it as your more intimate possessions .

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by ogre_codes »

hyperbovine wrote: post #81
Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

Of course they have a choice: charge money for the services they provide. Revolutionary concept, I know.

Charge for search? For maps? Gmail? How's that going to work when you get it for free from everyone else?

The entire reason Google's products are as big/ successful as they are is because they are free. If they started charging for Gmail, the rush to the exits would be instant. If Google started charging for Android OEMs would switch to AOSP, China, Amazon, and Microsoft would ensure a supply of free Android versions.

Apple is able to charge people for their services more-or-less up-front. Google has to wrangle fickle OEMs.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

Waterluvian wrote: post #77

I'm probably saying the complete obvious, but Apple can completely crush Google if they execute this angle properly. Google has no choice but to support ads. They're an ad company. Apple has to keep hammering how bad the ad and privacy experiences are with Android. Make iOS an absolute delight to use in contrast. I'd pay a premium for that. Android has done a great job making me want an iOS device again, these last t…

There's probably more money to be made in Apple themselves becoming the middle man for location data, rather than charging a very small number of people who care a premium to prevent sale of said data. From an ethical standpoint, I see where you're coming from, but from a business acumen perspective, I can't see it being more profitable.

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Post by Spooky23 »

ogre_codes wrote: post #96
hyperbovine wrote: post #81

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Of course they have a choice: charge money for the services they provide. Revolutionary concept, I know.

Charge for search? For maps? Gmail? How's that going to work when you get it for free from everyone else? The entire reason Google's products are as big/ successful as they are is because they are free. If they started charging for Gmail, the rush to the exits would be instant. If Google started charging for Android OEMs would switch to AOSP, China, Amazon, and Microsoft would ensure a supply of free Android versions…

Not at all, they just bundle them.

I’m a Google One customer... I came for the drive, but I’m stuck because of the nearly 15 years of GMail and the pain it would take to clean up!

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by samstave »

ogre_codes wrote: post #96
hyperbovine wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they have a choice: charge money for the services they provide. Revolutionary concept, I know.

Charge for search? For maps? Gmail? How's that going to work when you get it for free from everyone else? The entire reason Google's products are as big/ successful as they are is because they are free. If they started charging for Gmail, the rush to the exits would be instant. If Google started charging for Android OEMs would switch to AOSP, China, Amazon, and Microsoft would ensure a supply of free Android versions…

“Free” you keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Convenient is the more apropos word.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Post by Spooky23 »

ojame wrote: post #86
hyperbovine wrote: post #81

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Of course they have a choice: charge money for the services they provide. Revolutionary concept, I know.

What services are you thinking of? They charge for all the enterprise level stuff, and Google Cloud etc; but consumer facing every-day use services? I can't see how charging for search would work, charging for Android, they already charge for handsets but it's easier for Apple because of a closed ecosystem, I doubt they could charge for Chrome, so I'm a bit confused.

They could charge for search gold edition with fewer ads and more sophisticated operators, or buy companies like LexisNexis or other subscription options.

Ads are an incredible cash cow and an amazing business, but there are all sorts of other ways to monetize that business.

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