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iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

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My favorite thing about these features is the number of apps that it’s reminded me to uninstall completely from my devices. The number of apps that I initially installed months ago that didn’t have any of this that suddenly developed tracking notifications is staggering. I never would have known either since the updates happen silently in the background. Great features.

where are you seeing the notifications ? I installed the update and just clicked "use location only while using app" for everything

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

#52

On the other hand Apple has forced apps to use location data for purposes it should not be used for. Termius, for example, is my favorite iOS SSH app. But according to them, they can’t keep an SSH session running in the background unless they’re constantly tracking your location data. And somehow Apple approved this usage of location data. I don’t want to give Termius my location. I don’t want them tracking me everyw…

We also had to do this to get enough background time. I can honestly say we don't track you. customers also get mad when the app intermittent stops doing its job. I just hope the app review team doesn't throw us out again.

I just don’t understand why Apple doesn’t have a “allow to run in background” permission. Instead developers have to resort to Bluetooth or silent audio or location tracking which further erodes user trust and allows for developers to say “I swear we don’t track you” while actually tracking you.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

#53
post #47

On the other hand Apple has forced apps to use location data for purposes it should not be used for. Termius, for example, is my favorite iOS SSH app. But according to them, they can’t keep an SSH session running in the background unless they’re constantly tracking your location data. And somehow Apple approved this usage of location data. I don’t want to give Termius my location. I don’t want them tracking me everyw…

the real fix here is to move off ssh onto a mosh server, as it's specifically designed to fix this use-case without requiring a persistent connection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosh_(software)

The problem as I understand it isn’t the ssh connection being dropped but the app being closed and needing to reload. Because iOS devices don’t have enough RAM to keep an app in the background while also running Safari.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

#54
post #2

And it’s not just location data. I am amazed at how many apps want Bluetooth, too. Umm, there isn’t a single listed feature that indicates a need for BT, why are you asking? Oh, so you can use that as a tracking vector, too. Well, not only do you not get BT, you don’t get to live on my phone anymore, either. As for the advertisers, boo-hoo. You raised a finger (or two, depending on locale) to “do not track”, you thin…

Would the situation be different if Apple's biggest rival wasn't basically an advertising and data mining company? I wouldn't put it below Apple to profit from advertising control if Google didn't have an iron grip on it.

And if a frog had wings it wouldn’t bump its ass when it hops. But in our world of ass-bumping frogs, that is our current situation. Beyond that, we’re guessing at motives from Column A, and hypotheticals from Column B.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

#55
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This app is not a firewall, it's a 'DNS sinkhole'. Any app can easily circumvent this "firewall" by simply falling back to hard coded public ips of their servers if the domain lookup doesn't work. I'm not saying it's a bad app, but it's misleading to call their app a "firewall".

True, firewall is for inbound connection. Thanks.

firewalls are for both inbound and outbound connections. The GP's point is this isn't blocking network connections because you can still access the end point via IP.

What this is doing is redirecting known domain names to a sink hole. Much like Pihole does.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

#56
post #6

My favorite thing about these features is the number of apps that it’s reminded me to uninstall completely from my devices. The number of apps that I initially installed months ago that didn’t have any of this that suddenly developed tracking notifications is staggering. I never would have known either since the updates happen silently in the background. Great features.

where are you seeing the notifications ? I installed the update and just clicked "use location only while using app" for everything

They just magically start appearing after a while

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

#57
post #2

And it’s not just location data. I am amazed at how many apps want Bluetooth, too. Umm, there isn’t a single listed feature that indicates a need for BT, why are you asking? Oh, so you can use that as a tracking vector, too. Well, not only do you not get BT, you don’t get to live on my phone anymore, either. As for the advertisers, boo-hoo. You raised a finger (or two, depending on locale) to “do not track”, you thin…

I'm pretty sure that the reason for this is dependencies. People don't just write apps anymore. They write CocoaPods frameworks. I was just looking at something that someone wrote that does basically the same thing as one of my open-source utilities. The one I wrote is a 300-line file. It's so small that it isn't even worth writing a pod for it. The more popular one has over a dozen source files, and also brings in t…

Good thought that I hadn’t considered, but should have. Because when Apple did their big crackdown on private APIs, one of my apps got flagged. Yup, framework I was using.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

#58
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the real fix here is to move off ssh onto a mosh server, as it's specifically designed to fix this use-case without requiring a persistent connection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosh_(software)

The problem as I understand it isn’t the ssh connection being dropped but the app being closed and needing to reload. Because iOS devices don’t have enough RAM to keep an app in the background while also running Safari.

Safari, or any other app that needs the memory.

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

#59
> A drop in advertiser spending is likely to occur from small or medium-sized advertisers, Kasamias believes, as they are clients "where cost efficiency is paramount and there is a physical footprint, as targeting the right user at the right time will become more difficult."

Frankly, what a load of horse shit.

The reason for the drop in spend isn't the lack of targeting potential. Ad companies talk about this, because it sounds less creepy than what's really going on. What marketing departments in companies want from location data, is the ability to attribute sales to campaigns. They carpet bomb everyone they can with ads, and then if someone coincidentally even brushes past a store on their commute, they claim that the customer visited a store.

It's absolute arcane crap. They have no incentive to make targeting better if tracking is pervasive, because they can wildly gesticulate at one datapoint that slimily suggests the customer was effected by the ad. Losing location tracking data reduces the effectiveness of attribution, for huge enterprises, who target everyone.

ed: I wrote a little blog about this in June - https://lockwood.dev/advertising/2019/06/07/adtech-sucks.htm...

Re: iOS 13 app tracking alert has dramatically cut location data flow to ad industry

#60

On the other hand Apple has forced apps to use location data for purposes it should not be used for. Termius, for example, is my favorite iOS SSH app. But according to them, they can’t keep an SSH session running in the background unless they’re constantly tracking your location data. And somehow Apple approved this usage of location data. I don’t want to give Termius my location. I don’t want them tracking me everyw…

iOS really needs a channel for legitimate, real background apps. A lot of its battery life and security advantages over Android come from the fact that it doesn't allow a wild-west of background processes, but there are certain cases where you really do just need that.

Apple is good at taking use-cases and creating cohesive stories around the right way to serve them; this one has been long-coming.

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