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Firefox 3 smart bar is just too smart

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Re: Firefox 3 smart bar is just too smart

#13
As someone mentioned above, it learns your habits. It irritated me at first, as any fairly major feature change would, but it is pretty awesome and useful.

When I find that I visit a site so often that I habitually key in the first few characters, hit down, and hit enter, it is time to bookmark it and give it a keyword (in a bookmark's properties). After doing so, (as an example) if I go to the bar and type 'hn' and hit enter, it automatically takes me to http://news.ycombinator.com/. I think using this feature would benefit you, and maybe ease your hatred to mild distaste, and, just maybe, eventually you'll even _like_ the Awesome Bar.

I wish you luck.

Re: Firefox 3 smart bar is just too smart

#14
To be fair, there is an obvious benefit to being able to search titles and bookmarks. I've been using the betas (and nightly builds) for quite some time, and it's stopped getting in my way. I do believe that the default behaviors were not thought through very well (strings at the beginning of a url should have higher precedence than page titles), it does take up too much space, and it takes too long to show up. It also tends to interfere with autofill.

Re: Firefox 3 smart bar is just too smart

#15
post #3

Good points. I've been using FF3 since alphas and have gotten used to the "smart bar". (I didn't even know it was called that until today.) I tend to agree though. I'm still being driven nuts that Google's favicon has changed. I think companies need to be sensitive to all the momentum that people bring to their products. But then you have to balance that with the overhead of supporting an "old" feature for the sake o…

People only want to learn one thing. If there's a default way, and an optional way, most people will use the default, so you'll be able to expect it and learn it. If, however, everyone is forced to choose at the beginning (without a default), there will be a pretty even distribution of people with and without the feature enabled. In a case where this severely affects the usability of the browser for those who aren't used to it (e.g. those who expect to be able to use the beginnings of URLs in the smart bar and can't, and, vice versa, those who expect to use keywords in the "old bar" and can't), this causes problems.

For example, say you wanted to set up computers for public use at a school or library. Which way is it better to set the option? If it were a default/option pair, it would obviously be better to set it to the default, since people would be more familiar with it. If, however, it were just two equally valid options, which one would people be more likely to be familiar with? Multiply this by every possible [add-on on/add-on off] pair, and you have, perhaps, 1000 or more default browser configurations, any of which are equally likely to run into in the wild!

Anyway, on your first point, I think users need to be a little more sensitive to the fact that, if they don't allow themselves to be pushed out of their comfort zone every once in a while, their experience using their software (or anything for that matter) will never improve. If a feature worked crappily, one would never know it until they adapt to the "new way" enough to see how bad it was before. Until then, their comfort with the old way makes them much too partial to be a good judge.

Re: Firefox 3 smart bar is just too smart

#16
post #13

As someone mentioned above, it learns your habits. It irritated me at first, as any fairly major feature change would, but it is pretty awesome and useful. When I find that I visit a site so often that I habitually key in the first few characters, hit down, and hit enter, it is time to bookmark it and give it a keyword (in a bookmark's properties). After doing so, (as an example) if I go to the bar and type 'hn' and…

When I find that I visit a site that often, I subscribe to the rss feed. I use keywords for searches: / for google, m-w for merriam-webster, and so on.

Re: Firefox 3 smart bar is just too smart

#17
post #2

While I agree that there should be a way to disable the awesome bar, it's worth nothing that it does take some training and getting used to. The awesome bar uses historical data from previous searches, so if your search for "news" always ends with you clicking on HN, it will put that at the top. Over time, the bar will learn your preferences and become much more useful. I hated the bar at first, to the extent that I…

Disclaimer: I work for free :B

Hrm. I wonder if PG has IP banning figured out yet.

Re: Firefox 3 smart bar is just too smart

#18
I understand the reaction, but I have to echo the other commenters who say they've "gotten used to it". This feature annoyed me for the first day or two I used it. Then I began to expect this behavior, and actually began to use it. Now I prefer it.

That's just me, though.

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