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Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by freepor »

brenden2 wrote: post #7

How do Tesla owners feel about the quality of their cars? I'm genuinely curious. This is merely an anecdote, but in my experience it seems like the overall quality of similarly priced automobiles from more traditional luxury carmakers is much higher. The only significant advantage of the Tesla is the fact that it's 100% electric. Also, this is merely a subjective personal preference, but I just don't like the style o…

I drove my friends Model S and the performance felt like a Ferrari but the cabin interior felt like a Hyundai. I find that OK, since a company needs to specialize when building a brand and Tesla seems to have focused on driving experience and safety. When I’m done with my current car I’ll be buying a 3 or an S.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by billiam »

Waterluvian wrote: post #6
beamatronic wrote: post #2

The horror stories about 3 month wait for parts and the videos of water intruding into new vehicles, are keeping me away.

I love Tesla for its effect of pushing the EV industry forward. And I love Tesla early adopters for largely funding and justifying investment in this. But yeah, every time I daydream about owning a Tesla, I realise that it's my daydream about owning an Apple Newton.

This.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by freepor »

londons_explore wrote: post #75
brenden2 wrote: post #7

How do Tesla owners feel about the quality of their cars? I'm genuinely curious. This is merely an anecdote, but in my experience it seems like the overall quality of similarly priced automobiles from more traditional luxury carmakers is much higher. The only significant advantage of the Tesla is the fact that it's 100% electric. Also, this is merely a subjective personal preference, but I just don't like the style o…

A company with real time telemetry from all cars all the time ought to blow a traditional automaker out of the water with reliability. They can do things like measure vibration of a particular circuit board across the fleet, compare that to the design specs, and be able to predict failure probability a long time ahead of real failures. In turn, they can then revise designs to avoid a failure mode that hasn't even occ…

Are boards actually this instrumented? Does each MOSFET have a temperature sensor onboard?

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by typon »

m4tthumphrey wrote: post #78
typon wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was -5C in Toronto last night. This morning, I couldn't get into my Model 3 because the door glass was frozen. I got some hot water from the washroom and poured it over the glass and got it unstuck. Then I couldn't drive because the sideview mirrors were stuck folded. Got some more hot water and got them unstuck. Maybe the car is designed for California weather only, but in the winter i've had these types of issue…

I've had these issues on my Seat Leon in the past, ie not a Tesla. I am based in the UK and its pretty rare for temperatures to drop below 0 and it still happens.

My dad owns a Civic and a Lexus, this has never happened in the past 25 years of living in Canada (and temperatures keep rising over the years). It's happening due to the door design of Tesla where the glass does not have a frame around it. I made the purchase knowing these issues could arise - but let's not try to make it seem like these issues happen to all cars.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by tarr11 »

whatshisface wrote: post #38
taf2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so i have an x and when it rains we do sometimes get some water into the back seat when raising the trunk... but to keep this in perspective... the car is like an iphone compared to your flip phone. 2007 was a long time ago so maybe people forget just how impactful that phone was when people first tried it out. That is the exact same experience I have had when first owning and S and now an X. A minor issue like water…

I'll weigh in on the curmudgeon side. The knobs in my car were perfect from the day I bought it because they were optimized by engineers over decades. If there was ever a UI issue, it was corrected before I was born. Because the controls are physical I can operate them by touch and habit while focusing on the road. Years of driving have resulted in mental circuits that automatically detect stop signs and manage lane-…

The knobs in the car represent a local maxima and your muscle memory is a sunk cost.

Why should I have to do most of the things that those knobs do? I’d prefer to let Tesla write the automotive software instead of trying to embed it in my hands via years of practice.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by maliker »

oliverx0 wrote: post #11

According to Robinhood: “Tesla's stock has jumped 35% over the past month, becoming the most valuable American car company ever. GM and Ford produced a combined 39x as many cars as Tesla did in 2019, but the electric carmaker is now more valuable than GM and Ford combined. Oh, and Tesla lost almost a billion dollars over the past year while GM and Ford made over $10B in profit. Investors care more about future profit…

Tesla also has a residential energy company inside it. Not saying that should make up the difference in valuation, but it’s a nice compliment to the car business.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by pedrocr »

brenden2 wrote: post #7

How do Tesla owners feel about the quality of their cars? I'm genuinely curious. This is merely an anecdote, but in my experience it seems like the overall quality of similarly priced automobiles from more traditional luxury carmakers is much higher. The only significant advantage of the Tesla is the fact that it's 100% electric. Also, this is merely a subjective personal preference, but I just don't like the style o…

Fit and finish is worse (e.g, fit noises, panel gaps, quality of materials) and sound insulation is much worse (i.e., traditional luxury brands are much better at highway speeds). You can't beat electric for drive train smoothness and performance, and the Tesla infotainment is on another level. Depending on how you balance these things you may prefer a Mercedes/BMW/Audi once they deliver an electric range worth considering.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by jansan »

jppope wrote: post #55
oliverx0 wrote: post #11

According to Robinhood: “Tesla's stock has jumped 35% over the past month, becoming the most valuable American car company ever. GM and Ford produced a combined 39x as many cars as Tesla did in 2019, but the electric carmaker is now more valuable than GM and Ford combined. Oh, and Tesla lost almost a billion dollars over the past year while GM and Ford made over $10B in profit. Investors care more about future profit…

Here's what you're missing... Most of the major automakers: Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mazda, etc do not have viable business models in the near future. They are so far behind in sustainable transportation its only a matter of time until they lose their economies of scale and are no longer viable businesses. It's an "Iphone moment"... the other car companies have great "flip phones" right now.

iPhones did not need a charging network. They did not have any disadvantages besides the high price, which made them even more desirable. But I just do not see average people who live in condos buy an EV anytime soon.

Re: Tesla Surges Above $500, Leaving Analyst Targets in the Dust

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Post by chasd00 »

latortuga wrote: post #28
brenden2 wrote: post #7

How do Tesla owners feel about the quality of their cars? I'm genuinely curious. This is merely an anecdote, but in my experience it seems like the overall quality of similarly priced automobiles from more traditional luxury carmakers is much higher. The only significant advantage of the Tesla is the fact that it's 100% electric. Also, this is merely a subjective personal preference, but I just don't like the style o…

I would never consider purchasing a competing luxury car (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, etc) but I bought a Tesla. Tesla has a far lower TCO due to the greatly reduced maintenance. Electric is way more fun to drive than ICE. I feel like the quality is great but again this is coming from someone who has never owned a luxury car, and only ever owned/driven Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus.

TCO is something I haven't thought about. My 4runner needs an oil change, and maybe an air filter, every so often but that's about it. What other maintenance is required for ICE that isn't required for electric?
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