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Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by pjc50 »

londons_explore wrote: post #359
pjc50 wrote: post #355

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What law do you think is preventing them from doing that already? Especially where US residents with no general privacy law are concerned? The only thing that's preventing Google from telling their side of the story is their own refusal to engage human-to-human with individual customers.

Both the law and Googles privacy policy stops them telling the world if you sent bomb threats to the president. That's still your private mail. They can't go looking it it, let alone telling the world about it.

> the law

Which law?

> That's still your private mail. They can't go looking it it,

They definitely subject it to all kinds of automated scanning for spam and potentially abuse. The nearest thing to a public statement from Google on the subject seems to be: “very specific cases where you ask us to and give consent, or where we need to for security purposes, such as investigating a bug or abuse”

i.e. there may be abuse cases where they read your mail without asking.

Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by skydv2 »

abootstrapper wrote: post #152
matsz wrote: post #124

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Cloud hosting is great for businesses, that's why I believe that every web developer should experiment with those services. It's not great for personal use for the reasons you've stated - the risk of your service going down due to it being viral is much easier to bear than the risk of having to pay outrageous amounts of money for those services in that event. If your hobby project goes down for a while nobody will re…

Years ago I ran a side project that went viral. It grew to 60k visitors a day and my monthly cloud expenses were around $1,500. I cannot fathom a scenario where you get a surprise $100k bill from a viral hit. Anytime my project went down due to scaling, it was painful. You don’t get many chances at going viral.

I was getting $3-5k bills from Azure and AWS several times without being viral just because I enabled some wrong features. Luckily they refunded them. I don't want that crap anymore. We also tried to run on AWS EC2 for a while and it was costing us 10 times more than a dedicated server that we got later on. Ridiculous. Now I have a backup server on Azure just because they give me $50 credits and it's a basic VM with a 1Tb slow disk attracted and they manage to charge me $70 for this, when I can buy a box at https://www.kimsufi.com/en/servers.xml for 5-7 EUR. I think cloud is for idiots

Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by a_imho »

LogicX wrote: post #308
Havoc wrote: post #51

Interesting. I've been looking looking at options too & opted for essentially the opposite: Get a big(ish) VPS and stack everything on top of each other with docker behind a nginx reverse proxy. So far so good. Managed to host gitlab, prometheus, grafana and ghost working this weekend, which I'm pretty chuffed about. Not as clean as OP's, but the intention was learning, so sacrifices on convenience are acceptable.

This is the advice I give early stage startups... don’t waste cycles learning the AWS stack, and getting locked in. Just pay for a cheap VPS, and scale it vertically as you grow. By the time you outgrow vertical scaling you should have the revenue or funding to figure out your at scale architecture. You’d be surprised how much you can handle with a single beefy VPS or dedicated.

Had a VPS for side project at Vultr. First step first, could not send sign up emails from it.

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Post by indigodaddy »

ksahin wrote: post #338

For my next side project, I'd like to test https://render.com/ It seems like a cheaper alternative to Heroku. Any feedback on this?

Interesting. Seems good. I guess the Render free tier is basically competing with Netlify, with the added luxury that you can add paid dynamic services at any time...?

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #193
Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #173

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It is. I'm using free there to build and host my projects. If/when I exceed the free tier I'm not making a billing account unless I can set a max bill. I'll sooner rewrite everything to run on bare metal that has a fixed monthly cost.

I pay my $5 for linode (expanded swap to 2GB, it's SSD backed) and just run Caprover... I'd rather not deal with AWS's billing (even their billing dashboards are delayed by 24 hours)

I've been using gc/firebase. It's very easy to use, with acceptable documentation. I've been able to get dangerous quickly without even trying to. If I weren't on the free tier I would've racked up unaffordable bills. Instead I exhausted my API limits and had to wait. Perfectly acceptable behavior for development. I'll also add some logic to the finished project to handle resource exhaustion. Should I start exhausting resources,and it's not a bug, I'm not going to continue with infinitely scalable/infinitely billable gc. I guess if target customers are companies with 9-12 figure budgets getting a 9 figure bill wouldn't be the end of the World. If I got a high 4 figure bill I'd have to declare bankruptcy.

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Post by sweeneyrod »

chispamed wrote: post #293
sweeneyrod wrote: post #181

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> I can get a vServer with 48 Gb RAM, 10 vCPUs and a 800 SSD with a 1000 Mbit/s connection and unlimited traffic for 20€ a month and run my MariaDB and Redis database on the same machine as my other containers. Where are you getting all that at that price?!

Strato.de (German) has some great plans. Just install docker one their linux vserver and you’re good to go. https://www.strato.de/server/linux-vserver/

Interesting! How/why are they so much (~8x) cheaper than e.g. DigitalOcean or Linode? Or am I missing something and they're not comparable in some way?

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Post by jsjohnst »

sweeneyrod wrote: post #366
chispamed wrote: post #293

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Strato.de (German) has some great plans. Just install docker one their linux vserver and you’re good to go. https://www.strato.de/server/linux-vserver/

Interesting! How/why are they so much (~8x) cheaper than e.g. DigitalOcean or Linode? Or am I missing something and they're not comparable in some way?

A lot of things related to hosting (land, power, cooling, bandwidth) are cheaper in Germany versus where Linode and DigitalOcean are located.

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Post by GFischer »

estoniandwarf wrote: post #297
franciscop wrote: post #105

I have used it for work-related reasons and indeed the service is quite nice. But I don't use Google Cloud Run for personal projects for two reasons: - No way of limiting the expenses AFAIK. I don't want the possibility of having a huge bill on my name that I cannot pay. This unfortunately applies to other clouds. - The risk of being locked out. For many, many reasons (including the above), you can get locked out of…

Why not make a burner gmail instead of migrating out of Google

Google can (and frequently does) link burner gmail accounts with your real e-mail account.

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Post by komali2 »

oefrha wrote: post #288
leonidasv wrote: post #287

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At least DO was responsible, transparent and disclosured the bug for the public. After reading through the post, I've felt much more confident to use their services, specially after that comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20119939 Big G's policy is to lock you, provide no further comments and no contact link.

“Transparency” due to blowup of bad publicity on HN. They’re simply not big enough to ignore this audience. They wouldn’t have given a damn if they were, just like they ignored many cases that didn’t blow up.

Sure, fine, but Google blows up hn here and there with horror stories but because of search and I guess the fact that 2024 is when they're possibly nuking cloud anyway, the companies in question still got deleted.

What's the alternative you're proposing? Are you just saying Cloud Bad?

Re: Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing – Google Cloud Run

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Post by komali2 »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #268
deanmoriarty wrote: post #166

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I had the same thoughts: even if I like Google Cloud a lot (I use it extensively at work), I don’t feel it’s safe for me to use it at home, since I don’t want to risk having my entire google account locked due to “suspicious activity”, whatever that might mean. In fact, I recently shut down a personal App Engine service I had been using for myself for a few years just because of this paranoia. The service was not doi…

I used to use google docs until they randomly locked one of the docs I was working on for a week due to one of their "suspicious activity" scripts. Really hammered in the message that if you don't host it then you don't own it.

That's actually kinda nice of them. Instead of waiting till we were totally and completely locked in to play big bad wolf, they've done it earlier while there's still time to get the message out.
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