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DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by gdm85 »

nunobrito wrote: post #133
Accacin wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not doubting you, but do you have any sources for your claims? I will use Qwant in the future but at the minute it's not suitable (IMO) for daily usage. Ecosia seems like a great idea, but these kind of 'Search and earn' sites have always seemed like a scam to me and I can't find any reason to trust Ecosia over DDG.

I'm a software auditor in Europe (per times consulting the European commission itself), mostly for open source licenses but also for cybersec and privacy matters. This topic with DDG is recurring since years. You cannot verify the infrastructure, it is not hosted on EU-bounded servers and they have been asked for cooperation. Nothing moved as far I follow. With Ecosia you are right. The point is that Ecosia accountab…

Not sure if you are aware of this (I hope it's not on purpose), but your personal website mentioned on your 'About' description contains some questionable content (gambling?) in indonesian language.

If I may ask, was it hacked, you lost the domain or you have put that content there on purpose to generate some revenue?

Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by OJFord »

heavenlyhash wrote: post #157

I find it very interesting that the comments here on HN so far are predominated by discussion of "privacy". The article is about anti-trust regulation. These are different things. Regardless of what you might think about the privacy of any particular option today, the point of this change is to make sure more choice is available and visible to users. In the long run, it's worth remembering that such choice might be a…

But they're both about choice, and the usual reason people make DDG their choice is privacy from Google.

Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by OJFord »

skrebbel wrote: post #111
gempir wrote: post #93

I personally hope DDG is going to namechange soon. I don't hate their name, but if you present the user with a choice of - Google - DuckDuckGo - Yandex Why would he click the "silly" option besides humor. It's a bad brand name IMO

It's also not very well targeted at global reach. I mean, I assume it's a reference to something in some language / locale? Or, is the humor just super absurdist, i.e. they might've called it ShoeShoeEat and it would've been equally "humorous"? Assuming the first, it simply means they never imagined being used by people other than (I guess) Americans. Which is unfortunate, but forgiveable. It's also a terrible finger…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck,_duck,_goose

(I assume, anyway.) I happen to remember it from a drama lesson at school in the UK, but I'm pretty sure it's predominantly American, yes.

Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by proaralyst »

londons_explore wrote: post #154
LeoPanthera wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple added DuckDuckGo as an option for the default search engine in iOS 8, over 5 years ago.

The issue here is not if the user can choose a search engine, but if the user is forced to choose a search engine before they're allowed to use the phone. Apple does not require that.

Apple does not have their own in-house search provider

Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by therealmarv »

sandoooo wrote: post #68
therealmarv wrote: post #10

It's somehow funny to see that Bing search results are so successful when packaged with privacy in mind into DuckDuckGo. I don't like bing search results, especially for Europe. They are just bad for many local things. The only other search engine beside Google which is interesting and surprising for me is maybe Yandex. It's also not as good as Google in (most of) Europe but it's interesting to see that many things a…

Notice that there are entirely no NSFW images on DDG. This is a big hole right where content should be, and basically voids all claims to anti-censorship street cred.

Same for Google in comparison to Yandex. This is a kind of censorship in my opinion and as a full grown up adult it's my decision what I want to see.

Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by DavideNL »

jakub_g wrote: post #181
DavideNL wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think about Startpage? And, which European search engine would you recommend?

Startpage was acquired by an adtech company a few months ago https://www.ghacks.net/2019/11/16/startpage-search-owner-cha...

Yes i'm aware of that, but they were not 'acquired'... although it's definitely not a good development, i'd argue Startpage is still better (privacy wise) than for example Google.

Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by heavenlyhash »

OJFord wrote: post #192
heavenlyhash wrote: post #157

I find it very interesting that the comments here on HN so far are predominated by discussion of "privacy". The article is about anti-trust regulation. These are different things. Regardless of what you might think about the privacy of any particular option today, the point of this change is to make sure more choice is available and visible to users. In the long run, it's worth remembering that such choice might be a…

But they're both about choice, and the usual reason people make DDG their choice is privacy from Google.

Sure, but grep the fine original article for the word "privacy".

It's not present.

HN is discussing HN's tangentially-related feelings more than HN is discussing the article. I'm not surprised, but I'm certainly frustrated: in addition to being navel-gazing, in this situation it's also substantially missing the main reasons this is good: a regulatory agency is actually doing Reasonable Things -- things any privacy advocate should probably be pleased with -- but not just are they doing Reasonable Things, they're them in a relatively subtle, non-prescriptive way that actually keeps the options open for further future improvement. This is great; DDG is an incidental detail.

Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by therealmarv »

Marsymars wrote: post #65
therealmarv wrote: post #10

It's somehow funny to see that Bing search results are so successful when packaged with privacy in mind into DuckDuckGo. I don't like bing search results, especially for Europe. They are just bad for many local things. The only other search engine beside Google which is interesting and surprising for me is maybe Yandex. It's also not as good as Google in (most of) Europe but it's interesting to see that many things a…

> It's somehow funny to see that Bing search results are so successful when packaged with privacy in mind into DuckDuckGo. I'm kind of ambivalent about the privacy of DDG vs Bing (maybe I shouldn't be, but since I use DDG anyway, I haven't done the research) - I simply prefer the UI of DDG over Bing. > I don't like bing search results, especially for Europe. They are just bad for many local things. I wish Google was…

Oh that is another issue on Google. The local bubble is sometimes too much in Google and hard to escape. The problem is most people don't realize that!

I moved between countries in the recent years and also changed language in the OS from German to English (seems that is one switch of many) and suddenly many search results changed.

Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by nobodyshere »

yodsanklai wrote: post #178
nunobrito wrote: post #121

DuckDuckGo is only private if you trust their word. Over the years they continue to refuse access for a trusted third-party auditor to review their infrastructure and validate (or not) their claims of privacy. The preference of Android to place DDG in Europe (31 out of 31 countries) is strange when considering privacy as argument. Then is placed this "info.com" as second option on all European countries (31 out of 31…

> that is http://qwant.com Plenty of pictures and distracting news on the front page.

Just cut them out with adblock and you'll be fine.

Re: DuckDuckGo Is Now a Default Search Engine Option on Android in the EU

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Post by fghtr »

mikorym wrote: post #187
nunobrito wrote: post #121

DuckDuckGo is only private if you trust their word. Over the years they continue to refuse access for a trusted third-party auditor to review their infrastructure and validate (or not) their claims of privacy. The preference of Android to place DDG in Europe (31 out of 31 countries) is strange when considering privacy as argument. Then is placed this "info.com" as second option on all European countries (31 out of 31…

Can't we have an open source search engine with publicly sourced "indices"? Anyone who wants can then crawl the web and build a graph of parts of the internet. The search part and the crawling code would be open source. What's the problem?

Here you go: https://yacy.net
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