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Re: Language Learning with Netflix extension

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Post by hombre_fatal »

ta999999171 wrote: post #41
hrasyid wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spanish

Most effective Netflix kids/otherwise shows for this, in your opinion? TIA

The shows that interest you. The ones you would actually watch.

I imagine this rules out kids shows for most adults. It sure does for me.

Also start reading books asap. I spent way too long watching dub+sub'ed Netflix in my target language. Wish I'd tried reading young-adult books sooner. If you're going to be pausing on every subtitle frame to read it, you might as well try books.

Re: Language Learning with Netflix extension

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Post by hellofunk »

> When you’re starting out learning a language, sometimes you can’t quite catch what people are saying. They’re too fast, or they use words/grammar you’re unfamiliar with. Being able to see the subtitles and hear the dialogue and see the translation all at once is a dream come true.

I’ve tried this but the subtitles often use different wording than what is spoken (when both are in same language) so it doesn’t work out well in practice. Maybe depends on the language.

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Post by elcomet »

2rsf wrote: post #47
imjustsaying wrote: post #39

In practice, the foreign subtitles do not line up with the foreign words as well as the native subtitles line up with the native words. It took me years to figure out why this was. In a conversation I had with someone who knew the business, the new language subtitles don't line up with the new language audio because the new language subtitles are translated from the original language subtitles, not the new language a…

But why are the original language subtitles not accurate ? and I am referring even to "simple" local TV series that didn't undergo several rounds of editing. As part of my Swedish learning I watch a lot of Swedish shows with Swedish subtitles, there are always discrepancies

Isn't it because subtitles are typed in live? So they have to skip words in order to convey the meaning in time.

Re: Language Learning with Netflix extension

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Post by cyborgx7 »

skrebbel wrote: post #44
nitrogen wrote: post #30

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Not sure, but maybe the subtitle tracks have different licensing?

It's available, you just need to jump through undocumented hoops to get it. I know not to underrate the media industry on this stuff, but I doubt they have licensing that says "make available but only through shitty UX".

Licensing might have given the impetus for the gating. And then the implementation is made like this, either as an oversight, or to provide plausible deniability to Netflix.

Here in Germany violence in video games used to be heavily censored. Much less so now, but when I was growing up, you basically couldn't have blood in games. I remember playing a GTA game that had bleeding NPCs or not, depending on whether you selected German or English as the game language.

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Post by akavel »

Can anyone recommend any movies and/or series for a complete beginner learning Chinese from duolingo? I mean, ideally probably aimed at literally early primary school kids... some animated series, or Tom Sawyer -alike, or a drama about a lost puppy is what I brace for... even better if on youtube than Netflix, but the latter is also acceptable...

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Post by skrebbel »

thecatspaw wrote: post #36
nitrogen wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure, but maybe the subtitle tracks have different licensing?

Wouldnt they need to check this based on location, and not on user interface language though?

What makes you think everybody in a particular place speaks a particular language?

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Post by jonatron »

akavel wrote: post #55

Can anyone recommend any movies and/or series for a complete beginner learning Chinese from duolingo ? I mean, ideally probably aimed at literally early primary school kids... some animated series, or Tom Sawyer -alike, or a drama about a lost puppy is what I brace for... even better if on youtube than Netflix, but the latter is also acceptable...

Try "Where are we going? Dad" on YouTube. Also HelloChinese is much better than Duolingo in my opinion.

Re: Language Learning with Netflix extension

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Post by diffeomorphism »

2rsf wrote: post #47
imjustsaying wrote: post #39

In practice, the foreign subtitles do not line up with the foreign words as well as the native subtitles line up with the native words. It took me years to figure out why this was. In a conversation I had with someone who knew the business, the new language subtitles don't line up with the new language audio because the new language subtitles are translated from the original language subtitles, not the new language a…

But why are the original language subtitles not accurate ? and I am referring even to "simple" local TV series that didn't undergo several rounds of editing. As part of my Swedish learning I watch a lot of Swedish shows with Swedish subtitles, there are always discrepancies

If there is a script for the movie subtitles will often be identical to the script even if the actors deviated from it. Much simpler and quicker to do than having somebody transcribe everything that was actually said and then having someone watch everything again to make sure it was transcribed correctly.

Re: Language Learning with Netflix extension

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Post by _2xvp »

androng wrote: post #27

Watch in a foreign language with foreign audio to increase your listening comprehension in the foreign language. Only watch in your native language/subtitles if you want to comprehend the plot more. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927148/

Well, the linked study suggests watching with foreign audio and foreign language subtitles, not merely with foreign audio alone.

Re: Language Learning with Netflix extension

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Post by wodenokoto »

I see this littered all over the comments:

Subtitles are not transcripts. They don't match word for word, mainly due to space and time constraints.

A lot of amateur subtitlers time the subtitle with the time of the spoken word, making them almost unreadable. Long text that pop up for a short time does not help convey meaning.

You want a short text, that anticipates what is being said. The reader of the subtitle is after all watching a movie, and might have their eyes elsewhere - They are not reading karaoke lyrics!

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