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Why I Quit Using Google

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Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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Buy an external hard drive or SSD, download the photos to it, put it in a safe place away from your other computer stuff.

That's viable for sure, but one thing I'd like is regular backups of the photos from my phone (where most I take most of my photos). That's the nice thing about Google Photos with Google One - all my stuff is backed up to the cloud regularly. I understand, though, that this comes with some risk.

A few remarks from personal experience:

- I recommend Syncthing (easy) or Seafile (more features).

Both are free for personal use but the latter is a product (paid plans, support), Syncthing is more of a 'project' (both work great).

You can self-host the recipient machine at home or on some cloud (depends on your internet connection, needs, skills, and budget, I guess).

[IMHO it's a must-have skill in our historical era to be able to manage data at a basic level, just like managing one's finances, or health status; so I recommend learning 'enough' about it.]

- "Data that only exists once (1 original copy) does not exist." — the idea of a single point of failure without possible recovery.

Have at least 3 copies: 1 original (e.g. phone, laptop); 1 'repository' (file server) which aggregates all sources and becomes your central source of authority; 1 backup. (this ensure that you never go below 2 copies, if any 1 fails). I use Google Photos too in addition to Syncthing — sort of a failsafe for uploading.

- For long-term storage (photos usually qualify), consider bit rot — the fact that storage devices simply fail partially randomly, i.e. you lose literal bits here and there from time to time, unless precautions are taken (e.g. self-healing ZFS array).

This makes cloud services usually attractive, they take care of all the low-level behind-the-scenes shenanigans. Conversely, long-term physical backups (HDD) should periodically be either fully checked or rewritten — but they're far cheaper, now below $25/TB, so it's easy to just have two backups, one 'hot' (disk online) and 1 'cold' (disk in a dry closet). I would recommend a filesystem with checksums.

If you need more advice or guidance, feel free to ask questions.

[1]: https://syncthing.net/

[2]: https://www.seafile.com/en/home/

Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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post #151

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That's viable for sure, but one thing I'd like is regular backups of the photos from my phone (where most I take most of my photos). That's the nice thing about Google Photos with Google One - all my stuff is backed up to the cloud regularly. I understand, though, that this comes with some risk.

A few remarks from personal experience: - I recommend Syncthing (easy) or Seafile (more features). Both are free for personal use but the latter is a product (paid plans, support), Syncthing is more of a 'project' (both work great). You can self-host the recipient machine at home or on some cloud (depends on your internet connection, needs, skills, and budget, I guess). [ IMHO it's a must-have skill in our historical…

Thanks so much for this.

Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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Maybe because just a few short years ago Google was the darling of the internet because search and chrome were better than anything else. People believed the do no evil spin. And back then why wouldn't they?

Many of us already saw it differently back then and often had to face ridicule when pointing out concerns with these services.

I still do face ridicule. While HN might be a bit behind one of us that was already suspicious of Google, the average developer is still loving Chrome and will look at you like you're a maniac if you breach the topic of ditching the browser.

Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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I'm not necessarily anti-Google, but only use their services when I consider them best of breed. That's my policy across the board. Gmail in 2004 was as good as it got, then everyone caught up, just lately in 2019 did I find Gmail to have gone beyond the pack again.

The ability to schedule emails in Gmail is something I've missed from Outlook (desktop) for a long time, and it does it serverside unlike the desktop Outlook app.

The downside to Gmail is that the default user experience is pretty poor. You have to enable the preview pane yourself, and if you don't, you also would have to enable the auto opening of the next email after you delete one otherwise it takes you back to the list. Gmail's list of emails has the star on the far left, and all other quick controls on the right. It's pretty absurd.

But if you disable categories and the rest of Google's convoluted ideas, enable the preview pane and set it to the compact layout, I haven't seen a better free webmail today.

I would switch to Outlook.com just to split my email account from Youtube and Google Maps, if Microsoft supported scheduled sends. iCloud.com would be my first choice but they don't have a robust calendar system like Outlook and Gmail (iOS reminders only, no email reminders). Same concern with ProtonMail (I never saw the appeal to FastMail). Hosting my own is a non-starter because I feel with all the competition in webmail that I really shouldn't have to, there are good free services.

Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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The fact that a company is allowed to amass so much of your digital life but then lock you out with no recourse should cause outrage. It's no different than if your landlord, your bank, or the post office decided one day to lock you out and not even bother to give you an explanation, let alone to give you back your money and property. We live in a world where services like the ones Google provides aren't just optiona…

Not sure why this is getting downvoted. Having your data confiscated like this is definitely outrageous and should be illegal. Right now we rely on this being bad PR for the company doing it but that's not enough especially for the giants. The user pays for the service by allowing the provider to monetize their data not by forfeiting the right to even get a copy. I'm actually hoping that some regulation will be put i…

It's because most people in my country (US) are brainwashed, supporting and voting for things against their own self-interests like groveling at the feet of entities like Google. They think the end user, like employees, should have no rights, and are lucky to have what they're given. There's no fight, because it requires less fortitude to craft a story in your mind that the dominant force and apparent way forward (corporate domination) is somehow good, to avoid having to do any real work in fighting the system. It's laziness, intellectual and physical that pervades our society. Yet many of the same people will call the French, "lazy". It's the other way around.

Prudent regulation is necessary, but a strong lobbyist group for programmers such as a union or professional association would hurry that along much faster. Developers are end users too, and would be the most likely source of such a push in today's system. Unfortunately unlike lawyers, dentists and doctors, programmers think they're too smart to get organized.

Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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Do not rely on a single drive or you'll end up in a situation like me where one day your external drive decides to stop working and 20gb of photos are gone.

What happened to your local copy? ;)

I think you know, hence the wink, but usually what happens here is the local copy is lost and the backup has been bad for ages, but never was identified. The lesson learned is to test your backups, which is kind of a pain.

While I do keep a single drive backup, to restore my entire drive from, but I do not test this backup. If it doesn't work, it's not that big of a deal. I cherry pick what I really find important and burn it to M-DISCs. Very little content is actually that important, baby photos and things like this.

Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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Who can afford for their main email account (gsuite, paid), cloud hosting (if you use it, maybe even for business), means of payment (gpay), backup and storage (drive) to get banned/locked without meaningful support just because you happen to post a comment on a yt video that some googler or algorithm found offensive/non-pc or you happened to log into your account from the wrong IP address, city or continent? As soon…

The logic applies to basically ALL cloud based services.

We had our entire company profile for Indeed disabled because a couple of our ads were commission-based positions - which only became an issue when paused those postings (because they don't care while you're giving them money).

Their appeals process was non-existent, and they turned off everything - the whole account - so I couldn't even post for an accountant.

Literally all cloud based companies have this danger.

Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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Has anyone else had experience with getting their Google account suspended? I literally use it for everything in my life, and without it I would probably lose access to a lot. I would change away from Google in a heartbeat but it just seems like too much effort if I can avoid getting my account suspended in the first place. If anyone has gotten their account suspended, what was it for and how can I avoid it?

Several times, several different accounts. Fortunately Google is (or more accurately, was) simply a convenience for me. I have not yet fully deactivated the several Gmail accounts I have still standing, though those are largely inactive, and most are strictly associated with specific nyms I'd created (one notably after a primary nym account was suspended). The best way to avoid having your Google account be suspended…

Can you reply as to the reason you had so many accounts flagged and disabled?

Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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I love that other companies have sustainable alternatives to Google services. But these articles looks more like hype train and doesn’t really add any new value for me. You are not building something new switching from one big corp to another small company that want to become another big company next day. Probably I’m getting old but I remember times when Google doesn’t exists. We had software for files, messages, ca…

>What is so special in using other providers

Exactly what you imply with your nostalgia for PIMs: increased fragmentation. There is value in witholding information/data/usage from Google (or FB, or Amazon, or Palantir, etc.) -- particularly personal data that is most valuable in aggregate -- value that reflects a decreased ability to cause problems, worries, and/or concerns in users' lives.

Re: Why I Quit Using Google

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Several times, several different accounts. Fortunately Google is (or more accurately, was) simply a convenience for me. I have not yet fully deactivated the several Gmail accounts I have still standing, though those are largely inactive, and most are strictly associated with specific nyms I'd created (one notably after a primary nym account was suspended). The best way to avoid having your Google account be suspended…

Can you reply as to the reason you had so many accounts flagged and disabled?

2-3 instances over ~10 years.

Access via Tor, new devices, and travel, generally.

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/2w618r/how_to_... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9060922)

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3mo7l6/that_go...

This is a Hard Problem:

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/7qya12/informa...

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