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YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

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Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

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A similar phenomenon is the use of pets as pseudo-children or relationship partners. Babies are expensive and ruin your sleep for years. Significant others can cheat on you, leave or simply get boring. A cat, however, just like these YouTube boyfriends, is fairly inexpensive, practically takes care of itself, will always love you and will never leave. It is a sort of infantalization of the relationship process. I thi…

“difficulty, struggle and suffering are inherently worthwhile, more authentic and character-building”

Is there any research on this topic or is this just your opinion?

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That isn’t what I said, at all. Pets are awesome. But they aren’t replacements for human connection.

And if someone tells you that it is for them, will you inform them that they are wrong to feel that way?

Well I wouldn’t say it to their face, because that would be rude. But yes I’d posit that they are wrong.

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I totally agree with you, but I also notice the slow but steady increase in ad content before, between, below all YouTube videos, that also seem to call back to my preferences, feelings, tastes, past interactions, etc. The question I always ask is: how long until YouTube removes the ability to skip ads altogether? How long until a painfully nontrivial portion of our browsing time is spent directly consuming propagand…

If you don't want to pay for it and you don't want to be 'consuming propaganda' who do you think should be paying to run YouTube for you?

If the ads was only there to run youtube there would be much much less of them.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

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A similar phenomenon is the use of pets as pseudo-children or relationship partners. Babies are expensive and ruin your sleep for years. Significant others can cheat on you, leave or simply get boring. A cat, however, just like these YouTube boyfriends, is fairly inexpensive, practically takes care of itself, will always love you and will never leave. It is a sort of infantalization of the relationship process. I thi…

“difficulty, struggle and suffering are inherently worthwhile, more authentic and character-building” Is there any research on this topic or is this just your opinion?

What is “research” supposed to mean in this case? It’s a philosophical proposition, one that has been expounded by thousands of cultures throughout history. If anything, justification for an easy, hedonistic life is the rarity.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

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post #19

A similar phenomenon is the use of pets as pseudo-children or relationship partners. Babies are expensive and ruin your sleep for years. Significant others can cheat on you, leave or simply get boring. A cat, however, just like these YouTube boyfriends, is fairly inexpensive, practically takes care of itself, will always love you and will never leave. It is a sort of infantalization of the relationship process. I thi…

Cat does not love you. It never leaves, cause you locked it. If you move away, cat prefers to stay. Treating children like pets would be effectively emotional abuse. And while dog can fill some of yours emotional needs, quite frankly, kids won't. I have children and had pet and I can tell you that those two are comparable in any way. Not just in easy vs hard scale, but it is fundamentally different relationship.

You overstate a little. Both require overlapping responsibilities from the head of the household.

Both, for example, require someone to be home to feed them (and take care of other biological needs) every day. The amount of effort for a child is much higher, but having a pet or a child both make it impossible to catch an impromptu flight to Vegas or pull an all nighter at work.

And, yes, that does require some emotional maturity and, for some, fill some emotional needs.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

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post #10

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I totally agree with you, but I also notice the slow but steady increase in ad content before, between, below all YouTube videos, that also seem to call back to my preferences, feelings, tastes, past interactions, etc. The question I always ask is: how long until YouTube removes the ability to skip ads altogether? How long until a painfully nontrivial portion of our browsing time is spent directly consuming propagand…

If you don't want to pay for it and you don't want to be 'consuming propaganda' who do you think should be paying to run YouTube for you?

Maybe google should be be "bait and switch I will eat looses till competition dies" in the first place. It repeatedly screws market, killing smaller companies competing in the same space.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#27
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From all visible metrics, sex and social activity are plummeting precipitously across the developed world——lower rates of sex, lower sales of condoms, higher marriage age, lower birth rate, more suicide, higher rates of antisocial mental disorders, and on. It’s easy to see that not just YouTube but communication technology in general is partially, if not greatly responsible. But what’s even more concerning to me is t…

Embrace it. Focusing on what is inevitable isn't healthy. What we can do is develop tools that will evolve us to combat tech. Fight the tech with tech. Biotech may solve current problems forever. Gene therapy and modification is the future, probably. So you need not worry, give in your fate to the tech overlords.

Or wait until you can live with AR that is good enough to replace your actual social interaction without you developing health problems. All we need to do is create good enough replacement for humans. That is the problem with current social platforms. They are too static. They fail and result in uncanny communication. They aren't able to convey body language, emotions and many other details that actual humans give off.

plays black mirror episode

I am waiting for my robot partner because everyone else in my life just sucks and I can't relate to any of them. Internet provides you power to embrace different culture and world than the one you live in, and sometimes it creates in inevitable environmental and cultural dissonance where you are nothing like anyone else you know. Well, that explains my internet addiction at least.

Where else do you think am I going to find buddies to talk about free software, anime, startups and odd bizarre stuff?

Post is meant to be satirical.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#28
post #23

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If you don't want to pay for it and you don't want to be 'consuming propaganda' who do you think should be paying to run YouTube for you?

If the ads was only there to run youtube there would be much much less of them.

As of 2015 it was famously not profitable! Maybe they've added more adverts since then? I don't know but I would think at most YouTube earns a normal operating profit. I don't think it's printing money.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#29
post #19

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Cat does not love you. It never leaves, cause you locked it. If you move away, cat prefers to stay. Treating children like pets would be effectively emotional abuse. And while dog can fill some of yours emotional needs, quite frankly, kids won't. I have children and had pet and I can tell you that those two are comparable in any way. Not just in easy vs hard scale, but it is fundamentally different relationship.

You overstate a little. Both require overlapping responsibilities from the head of the household. Both, for example, require someone to be home to feed them (and take care of other biological needs) every day. The amount of effort for a child is much higher, but having a pet or a child both make it impossible to catch an impromptu flight to Vegas or pull an all nighter at work. And, yes, that does require some emotio…

I did not said pets don't fill any needs, I said they are completely different then what you get with children.

For cat, you can put enough food to bowl and have someone else wisit a day after to change it.

You can absolutely pull all nighters with cat. The cat will be fine.

Less so with dog if you are single, but walking dog is still incomparable to all the interaction that goes on with kid - even on playground.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

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“difficulty, struggle and suffering are inherently worthwhile, more authentic and character-building” Is there any research on this topic or is this just your opinion?

What is “research” supposed to mean in this case? It’s a philosophical proposition, one that has been expounded by thousands of cultures throughout history. If anything, justification for an easy, hedonistic life is the rarity.

Wow that paragraph is like the poster child for the logical fallacy called “appeal to tradition”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

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