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U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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> avoiding was a non starter so the "escape plan" was I committed to leave, akwardly as it may be, before i picked up a drink. > aka if someobdy was pressuring me to drink to the point i felt i had to i would say "ok get me a beer i have to go to the bathroom" and then disappear and blame it on an upset stomach I hope this doesn't come across as rude, but I don't understand -- why was pretending to get sick easier th…

Some people don’t want to publicly embrace the label “alcoholic” and all the social stigma it comes with. If you openly tell people that you “quit drinking” they will likely either assume alcoholism or openly ask you why. They are not likely to assume you just decided you don’t like the taste, so now you’ve got the label. If instead you tell people you aren’t “drinking tonight”, you will absolutely get pressure to dr…

>This is by the way, why vegans complain about people teasing them or judging them about their food choices. With very few exceptions, it’s probably not malicious. It’s just people being stupid and not realizing the impact they’re having on others.

It could be that people feel judged, criticized by someone who doesn't drink alcohol/eat meat. That person seems to be setting themselves up as better than others, or more ethical, or with better habits. And they spoil the vibe and camaraderie. People feel attacked and feel justified in striking back, or release that psychological tension with jokes that only seem funny to those with the tension.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people don’t want to publicly embrace the label “alcoholic” and all the social stigma it comes with. If you openly tell people that you “quit drinking” they will likely either assume alcoholism or openly ask you why. They are not likely to assume you just decided you don’t like the taste, so now you’ve got the label. If instead you tell people you aren’t “drinking tonight”, you will absolutely get pressure to dr…

>This is by the way, why vegans complain about people teasing them or judging them about their food choices. With very few exceptions, it’s probably not malicious. It’s just people being stupid and not realizing the impact they’re having on others. It could be that people feel judged, criticized by someone who doesn't drink alcohol/eat meat. That person seems to be setting themselves up as better than others, or more…

Sure. That’s doubtless also a factor for some.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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I've been there. Have you figured out how to work through those deep seated emotional states?

No. Yes? That's what I mean, my whole life is a way of dealing with them by using escape mechanisms. HN is one of them. Lesser one.

Yep. I can't be totally sure the extent to which I've unpacked my issues versus improved my ability to mask them. I'm positive I do both, but a great deal of good fortune means that I'll have to wait for the inevitable dark times to find out.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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The state of men in the US is really deteriorating. Men are drugging, drinking, and smoking theirselves to death. And sometimes the death is very explicit, being by suicide which is climbing to rates higher than ever. Prisons are filled with men, universities are increasingly seeing fewer men than women. Men are increasingly sexless much longer than females. Seems we have a big problem on our hands.

Is HN an incel forum now?

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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Rather than blaming men for not living longer consider how much less is spent on treating and researching male health issues than female. For example in the UK boys were offered the HPV vaccine 10 years after girls. Yet during that period male death rates from HPV related throat cancer were comparable to female death rates from HPV related cervical cancer.

Understanding cause of death is not "blaming men". The reasons for the gap are, for the most part, known. Big gaps are explained away by the suicide rate for men being 3.54x higher for males vs females and men delaying preventative medical treatment. If you're arguing for the stoic-ness of traditional masculinity as a way to maintain mental health, as the comment I was replying to was, it's important to understand th…

Since you claim that the reasons are know, it seems to miss that a major reason for successful suicide is untreated depression which are well know area in medicine known to discriminate against men.

You can blame masculinity, or you can blame society for how it react to men who seek help.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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I agree with you. Here's a recent well run study, in a respected journal, paid for by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... > Alcohol use is a leading risk factor for global disease burden and causes substantial health loss. We found that the risk of all-cause mortality, and of cancers specifically, rises with increasing levels of consumption, and the level…

I addressed this elsewhere in this thread. Even this study finds benefits for heart disease and the all in mortality is affected by accidents, which doesn't apply to a moderate drinker who doesn't drink and drive. Also, this study inexplicably includes tuberculosis as the leading cause of death caused by alcohol. Perhaps this is the case in some countries, but seems irrelevant for those of us moderate drinkers who li…

The study is very clear.

> Previous research has analysed all-cause risk due to alcohol use by either investigating all-cause risk in particular cohorts and survey series, or through meta-analyses of those studies.26,27 Past findings subsequently suggested a persistent protective effect for some low or moderate levels of alcohol consumption on all-cause mortality. However, these studies were limited by small sample sizes, inadequate control for confounders, and non-optimal choices of a reference category for calculating relative risks. More recent research, which has used methodologies such as mendelian randomisation, pooling cohort studies, and multivariable adjusted meta-analyses, increasingly shows either a non-significant or no protective effect of drinking on all-cause mortality or cardiovascular outcomes.7,14,28 Our results on the weighted attributable risk are consistent with this body of work. Taken together, these findings emphasise that alcohol use, regardless of amount, leads to health loss across populations. Although we found some protective effects for ischaemic heart disease and diabetes among women, these effects were offset when overall health risks were considered—especially because of the strong association between alcohol consumption and the risk of cancer, injuries, and communic-able disease. These findings stress the importance of assessing how alcohol use affects population health across the lifespan.

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post #197

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(I'm in England so all of this is somewhat from an English perspective) There are roughly two camps when we talk about a human rights approach to mental health law, and they're not compatible with each other. The more mainstream version is to look at the UN Declaration of Human Rights, which flows into the EU Convention on Human Rights, which flows into national law. Under this system we can still have detention unde…

Wait, in the second case you can or can not force them to take medication against their will?

In the second case you can not force people to take medication against their will.

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No. Yes? That's what I mean, my whole life is a way of dealing with them by using escape mechanisms. HN is one of them. Lesser one.

Yep. I can't be totally sure the extent to which I've unpacked my issues versus improved my ability to mask them. I'm positive I do both, but a great deal of good fortune means that I'll have to wait for the inevitable dark times to find out.

Very true. In fact, I doubt few people would be content being alone with themselves and their thoughts and nothing to distract them.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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Rather than blaming men for not living longer consider how much less is spent on treating and researching male health issues than female. For example in the UK boys were offered the HPV vaccine 10 years after girls. Yet during that period male death rates from HPV related throat cancer were comparable to female death rates from HPV related cervical cancer.

Understanding cause of death is not "blaming men". The reasons for the gap are, for the most part, known. Big gaps are explained away by the suicide rate for men being 3.54x higher for males vs females and men delaying preventative medical treatment. If you're arguing for the stoic-ness of traditional masculinity as a way to maintain mental health, as the comment I was replying to was, it's important to understand th…

> men delaying preventative medical treatment.

In the case of HPV caused cancer this is because there is (rightly) a massive screening program for cervical cancer and yet most men that have sex with men don't even know that they are at increased risk of HPV caused throat cancer. Similar programs exist for other diseases that exclusively affect women. They do not for diseases that exclusively or disproportionately affect men.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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post #178

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> My father died in July of 2015 from alcohol My adoptive father also died of alcohol abuse. I am Much older than you are though. He served in WWII, also most of his friends drank heavily--I suspect it was due to combat war related PTSD; but that is merely a guess. I am very careful about how much I drink, and I do have an addictive personality. I just had a talk, tonight in fact, with my 20 year old about drugs--and…

Not suggesting one does it but coke unlike alcohol causes only psychological addiction.

Well, fentanyl is a huge problem now. It has killed a lot of people, some who thought they were “just” using coke.
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