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Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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Re: Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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Doesn't Apple need the secrecy to survive? Imagine Nokia getting hold of the specs of the original iPhone early before its release, how would the world be today?

Not really - industrial espionage is really rare. Google is much more open and their technology doesn't get stolen. Sure, product designs leak before their release, but that doesn't really matter much.

Re: Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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post #2

This made me laugh ... > “Many employees don’t like Apple Park [the company’s new headquarters] because it has very few private offices. ... nice one Jony ... design a brave and “beautiful” open plan workspace for a paranoiacally secretive organisation. Says it all really.

> ... nice one Jony ... design a brave and “beautiful” open plan workspace for a paranoiacally secretive organisation. I feel like it's worth pointing out that Steve Jobs was still running Apple when this building was designed. I don't work for Norman Foster so I have no way to know how much changed internally after he died, but I doubt the balance shifted too wildly given the logistical constraints of massive constr…

> I'd want a corporate culture of extreme openness and collaboration inside the walls but absolute silence outside

Aspiration driven design it is so ...

EDIT ... with no consideration for the practicalities of what it takes to achieve those aspirations.

Re: Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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I think it’s supposed to be a joke, but it’s still a bit contrived. The governance models of countries and companies are very different. Just about every company would end up being like some sort of socialist regime. No democracy, central planning. Perhaps you could argue they’re more like oligarchies or plutocracies (governed by capital).

And yet we think it's absolutely normal for companies to be run like oppressive regimes.

Should your employees take over any company you found?

Re: Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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Doesn't Apple need the secrecy to survive? Imagine Nokia getting hold of the specs of the original iPhone early before its release, how would the world be today?

Nokia's woes were on software side, not hardware. Building a competitive software stack proved too slow an undertaking for a hardware company. It was Android in the end that ate Nokia's pie, not Apple.

Re: Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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post #7

I think it’s supposed to be a joke, but it’s still a bit contrived. The governance models of countries and companies are very different. Just about every company would end up being like some sort of socialist regime. No democracy, central planning. Perhaps you could argue they’re more like oligarchies or plutocracies (governed by capital).

And yet we think it's absolutely normal for companies to be run like oppressive regimes.

It is perfectly normal, perfectly acceptable, and the only way to ever make the concept of a company work. Because companies play a completely different role in society to government.

For starters, because of freedom of association. You are free to not work for any company you like. If you feel like an employer is oppressing you, you can simply leave (unless they’re violating labor protection laws, then you can recover damages, and leave). If you feel like your government is oppressing you, you don’t have the freedom to simply stop associating with them.

Then you have the fact that the role of companies in your life is completely different to that of government. The purpose of your relationship with your employer is to exchange your labor for money. That’s it. How you live your life outside of that is completely up to you. If you can’t come to an agreement on terms of employment acceptable to both parties, then you simply don’t have to associate with them.

You also have the fact that if you have skills that employers want, then they have to compete for your labor. An oppressive employer isn’t going to have much luck acquiring such labor.

I know it sounds like a great hot-take, but the two entities play completely different roles in society, and such a comment doesn’t stand up to the most basic scrutiny.

Re: Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet we think it's absolutely normal for companies to be run like oppressive regimes.

Should your employees take over any company you found?

Should one person make life changing decisions for millions?

Why do I even need to ask this?

Re: Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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post #7

I think it’s supposed to be a joke, but it’s still a bit contrived. The governance models of countries and companies are very different. Just about every company would end up being like some sort of socialist regime. No democracy, central planning. Perhaps you could argue they’re more like oligarchies or plutocracies (governed by capital).

And yet we think it's absolutely normal for companies to be run like oppressive regimes.

Because it literally is the norm? Read the first chapters of "Das Kapital" this is nothing new.

Re: Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should your employees take over any company you found?

Should one person make life changing decisions for millions? Why do I even need to ask this?

So whats the difference to our so called democracy espcially if you look at the US you have one insane leader which runs basically rampage without real responsiblity. That's not isolated to america look at poland, russia even at some degree italy. The whole system is showing cracks at the moment and to be honest as tim cook said a dictatorship with the right person looks better to me than the mess we are in right now.

Re: Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet we think it's absolutely normal for companies to be run like oppressive regimes.

It is perfectly normal, perfectly acceptable, and the only way to ever make the concept of a company work. Because companies play a completely different role in society to government. For starters, because of freedom of association. You are free to not work for any company you like. If you feel like an employer is oppressing you, you can simply leave (unless they’re violating labor protection laws, then you can recov…

> For starters, because of freedom of association. You are free to not work for any company you like. If you feel like an employer is oppressing you, you can simply leave

Nice in theory, but what about companies that are so large that they effectively control the labor market? What about companies with non-compete agreements? What about collusive non-poaching agreements between companies that lower the market value of labor? What about companies that disregard employee safety because they know the labor pool is large?

These are not theoretical objections, they are happening now. Employer/employee agreements are not "free" when they break rules like these.

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