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Re: Paris syndrome

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What do visitors expect Paris to be like? What do they find instead? The article is missing this critical piece of information.

I guess it's expected to be self-evident. Expectation of Paris: "the city of light", "the city of love", the home of iconic structures such as the Eiffel Tower, home of fashion, moulin rouge Reality of Paris: construction, traffic, fences, security, getting scammed on the street... a normal city

But the food is pretty great.

Re: Paris syndrome

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Which part is the racist dogwhistle?

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There was a HN discussion here recently which made me realise, not even Japan is without racism. There is racism there towards all kinds of people, those with family trees originating in the ancient lower caste, people with Korean heritage, the ainu, and most of all, towards people who are visibly different.

Re: Paris syndrome

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> What would you "expect" the French to look like Like French, like Europeans. Must France be a “melting pot” too? Why do Americans project so much?

It's extremely odd that you assume it's Americans who would be the only ones to call out a racist dogwhistle, when some of the most "progressive" countries in the world are in Europe. I'm skeptical of the idea that a French person is necessarily white - nationality, race, ethnicity and citizenship can (and many times are) not all the same, yet "French" can refer to any one or more of them.

French is a race just like Chinese and Nigerian are races. If I were born in Japan I might have Japanese citizenship but I wouldn’t be ethnically Japanese. It’s weird that European ethnicities are the only ones that don’t mean anything. You are saying that French can be anything, which is basically a melting pot. It’s not America where anyone can be American. It’s France with 1000s if years of history and culture.

Re: Paris syndrome

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"People are absolutely not what you’d expect french to look like ( and i’m not talking about size)" What would you "expect" the French to look like, that they do not look like in Paris (while cities in Europe are all much more non-white than the countryside, which for the commenter does not have the same problem)? This is a dogwhistle.

> What would you "expect" the French to look like Like French, like Europeans. Must France be a “melting pot” too? Why do Americans project so much?

I'm not an American, but I think that France should be a melting pot because of its colonial history.

Many immigrants in Paris who "don't look French" are from former colonies that still speak French to some extent. Keeping Paris white would be denying part of France's history.

Re: Paris syndrome

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What do visitors expect Paris to be like? What do they find instead? The article is missing this critical piece of information.

It specifically says towards the bottom that in Japanese magazines, they depict Paris as being filled with people so thin they look like stick figures and that only wear high class fashion.

Idk about high class fashion, but I thought everyone in Paris dressed surprisingly nice. Scarves everywhere lol. Even people wearing sweatpants seemed put together with planned outfits.

Re: Paris syndrome

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I think you're being downvoted for having a negative viewpoint, but what you said is very accurate. I'm not French, but I've spent some time in France and loved it. France is a gorgeous country and people were generally friendly and welcoming, Paris is the exception. There are parts of Paris which are nice, but a significant chunk of the city is exceptionally dreary (partly due to architectural design, heavy use of b…

The OP is probably being down voted for the racist dogwhistle in their comment.

I’m guessing that you didn’t read the Wikipedia article. Here’s the direct quote pertaining to appearance.

“Renoux indicates that Japanese media, magazines in particular, often depict Paris as a place where most people on the street look like "stick-thin" models and most women dress in high fashion brands such as Louis Vuitton.”

Your personal biases made you assume the previous commenter strictly implied race/color.

Re: Paris syndrome

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Potentially Paris current mayor wants to turn the city into a mostly car free place. That might change a lot of the mentality. Let's review this syndrome in ~2025.

As other people say, medium sized cities are gentler, and countryside is friendlier.

e.g: was lost in a small town, and after roaming around in front of some tiny store, the cashier came out proposing to help me. I didn't even try to ask her from outside, she naturally took the initiative.

Re: Paris syndrome

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Because the only two characteristics Parisian people have are size and race? The very Wikipedia article we happen to be discussing contains " ...Renoux indicates that Japanese media, magazines in particular, often depict Paris as a place where most people on the street look like "stick-thin" models and most women dress in high fashion brands such as Louis Vuitton ...".

Are you familiar with the concept of euphemism and dog whistles? Please tell me what visual (since OP mentioned how Parisians "look") characteristic you presumed OP had in mind.

Duly addressed in my edit above.

Are you familiar with the concept of confirmation bias? Look hard enough for something and you'll see it ... whether it's there or not.

Re: Paris syndrome

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There was a HN discussion here recently which made me realise, not even Japan is without racism. There is racism there towards all kinds of people, those with family trees originating in the ancient lower caste, people with Korean heritage, the ainu, and most of all, towards people who are visibly different.

This should not be a surprise to anyone who's well travelled. In fact, the least racist countries on Earth are in North America, where it is talked about the most.

Re: Paris syndrome

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I am part Parisian. (I used to live there and my family is from the city and nice banlieue). I love Paris, but what shocks me every time I go back is the quantity of dog poop (and also trash) in the streets and the inability of city officials to do anything about it. Here are a few tips for visitors:

- When interacting with locals, always start off by saying Bonjour Monsieur, Bonjour Madame. That will help disarm cranky Parisians. If doing an AirBnb make sure to do this when seeing people on the “palier” — stair landing in Parisian apartment buildings.

- Consider going to the top of the Tour Maine-Montparnasse, instead of the Eiffel Tower. You will have 1/100th the foot traffic and you won’t be surrounded by pickpockets. Plus you’ll be able to see the Eiffel Tower :-)

- Check out and buy food from the local street market in your area.

- My favorite thing to do in Paris still is flâner — to stroll about the lovely city.

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