Iran can NEVER have a nuclear weapon. Just nope.
Ukrainian plane was 'unintentionally' shot down, Iran state TV says
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Three days is insanely fast for a nation Think of how many level of people are there. There are the guys that shot the missile. The ones that command those guys, the ones that command those and commanders above those. In the chaos of the tragedy, no body wants to open their mouth, in case they are executed for saying something that is against the direction which the nations top leaders want to take. Then come the top…
> Three days is perfectly OK. Three days of silence? Yes. Three days of active denial? Hell no. The Head of Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization had this to say: «The version that the plane was shot down by a rocket cannot be true under any circumstances … it is impossible from the scientific point of view.» If they really wanted to tell the truth after some days then why wouldn't he just shut up in the meantime?
In this context, remaining silent would be tantamount to acceptung fault.
However, they could have said even they were not sure, and that they are investigating.
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#113There's a pretty good short documentary about the USS Vincennes accidental shooting down of an Iranian commercial flight in 1988. Notably, it discusses the psychological phenomenon of "scenario fulfillment" that allegedly contributed to the disaster. I'll leave it to more informed commenters here to discuss whether or not such a thing actually exists. But regardless, it's an interesting watch. https://youtu.be/lRJnum…
With that in mind, it's even more amazing we've avoided full-on nuclear war multiple times.
Iran doesn't have the capability to deliver their nukes. No ICBMs capable of reaching the US, they can only try to use a long range bomber plane.
https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2017/9/23/75c570944...
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're trying to find excuses when Iran has a history of sweeping things under the rug.
Name a country which does not try to sweep things under the rug constantly.
We don’t need to. The point is that these elaborate theories are unnecessary. The government likely knew they were at fault, tried to avoid blame, and eventually fessed up. End of story.
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We know thanks to 9/11 that if the US is attacked it will retaliate against it's historic regional enemies without bothering you wait for confirmation or proof. I bet if the US were nuked they would say it was Iran and North Korea working in sync and try to find confirmation in the ruins of a devastating counter strike.
Perhaps, so in that case, why would you expect the world to be blown to pieces?
I never said that. Maybe someone else in the thread did though.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
With that in mind, it's even more amazing we've avoided full-on nuclear war multiple times.
Iran doesn't have the capability to deliver their nukes. No ICBMs capable of reaching the US, they can only try to use a long range bomber plane. https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2017/9/23/75c570944...
They also don't have nukes, making the lack of missiles somewhat secondary.
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#118I’m no fan of what Trump did. But after a lot of sabre rattling and threats against the US, Iran holds a state funeral where innocent Iranians get crushed to death, launches a token missile strike, then incinerates a bunch of innocent Iranians by accident. How many own goals can you kick in one week?
I don't get what you are comparing? Trump's actions were deliberate, and almost universally acknowledged as misguided, dangerous, and foolish (with the reneging of a working deal the first and largest blunder).
Iran, under pressure, made a mistake. An accident happens. I don't see how one assigns some score to these events, yet your comments reads like "they deserve a few more assassinations and maybe a bit of bombardment for being so stupid as to show nerves when attacked by the fragile masculinity of a superpower in decline".
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No this isn't well done. It took them three days to say this. How did it take them three days to realize they shot a missile? Especially since they had a denial campaign going on for three goddamn days. This was just external pressure on Iran forcing them to do this. If this flight wasn't an international one it would've been swept under the rug.
Three days is insanely fast for a nation Think of how many level of people are there. There are the guys that shot the missile. The ones that command those guys, the ones that command those and commanders above those. In the chaos of the tragedy, no body wants to open their mouth, in case they are executed for saying something that is against the direction which the nations top leaders want to take. Then come the top…
It’s not okay at all. They were furiously denying all claims that it was shot down by them. Saying it was scientifically impossible and that it was a sneer campaign by the states.
ONLY AFTER the video of it being shot down appeared did they admit to it. But only after several countries publicly said that Iran shot down the plane.
So no they didn’t do a good job. Stop giving them props for shooting down a plane and lying about it until they were exposed by the media.
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Russia was never allowed to be part of investigation and offered to help with some data and was rejected. Why would investigators reject possibly relevant data? It’s like if new evidence was brought up in court, but the judge would say “nah, thank you. We got enough. We know anyway who did it.” Malaysia, who’s airline was shot, was also not allowed to participate in the investigation. I wonder why.
Because they could spread misinformation or selectively disclose some information while withholding information that could harm them. It makes a ton of sense to not let the suspected parties join the investigation.
Well, you could make the same argument in court. Why allow defence to present their side of story? What if they lie and spread misinformation. Better not listen to them and just make a judgement without them.
By not allowing Russia to present their story because “what if” you are preemptively saying that they are guilty.
Why was Ukraine allowed to participate?