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U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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My father is an alcoholic. (in his case, he went to rehab and doesn't drink much anymore but he is still an alcoholic) I used to think that I was going to drink at one point. I remember thinking, "if I was of age I'd like to buy that lady a drink." But by the time I turned of age and could, I decided I wouldn't touch it. I'd never really been offered alcohol growing up - so maybe that helped settle in the habit. But,…

Both my parents were alcoholic which led to bad consequences for both of them. It was hard sometimes, but I think it gave me more empathy for people who suffer with addiction. And it made me extremely cautious with alcohol. I may very occasionally drink a beer or a glass of wine but no more than that.

Besides I read a few rock star biographies. One thing that struck me is that from all the addictions they had, alcohol was for most the hardest to overcome. Because alcohol is so pervasive in our society, I think a lot of people under-estimate the risk.

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wall o' text Alcohol kind of creeps up on you over time. I was in Greek Life in college. I don't regret a second of it, but the drinking culture was omnipresent (we did have dry brothers but if you drank you drank). After college I moved back home. I had a few concerning episodes that one could "pass" as a mildly embarassing thing (vomiting after a comedy show once I was home, passing out during a family party). The…

What worked for me was to take multiple soft drinks at a party after each alcoholic one. You have something in your hand to drink slowly from and it limits your willingness to drink one more alcoholic one.

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This is completely off-topic but... The article in question gave an accidental glimpse of a better world or, well, better web. The cookie and data protection dialog asks the usual question. The choices are to agree and continue, or "Decline and Visit Plain Text Site"! What? Someone still does plaintext sites? And to get the plaintext version you also get the privilege of not having to accept any of this: "...use cook…

I saw a similar cookie dialog for the first time the other day.

Some very few people actually want plain text sites, but for most people, what this is saying is "accept our cookies, or we'll punish you by giving you a crappy view of our content".

I recall reading that under the GDPR you're not allowed to refuse service if the user refuses non-essential cookies - this feels like a workaround to force users to accept.

There are of course various other workarounds in place, such as displaying long, fake loading spinners if you click "refuse", or giving you hundreds of toggles to manually click.

The way companies deal with cookies really is a disgrace.

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Between this, the spike in suicides across the US, and the opioid crisis, the US appears to be experiencing a kind of “die off” whose only analogue I can think of is post-Soviet Russia. I wonder if we’ll be able to correct course or continue to believe that things like rising GDP, unmoored from the material reality of most people, can paper over these trends.

> the US appears to be experiencing a kind of “die off” whose only analogue I can think of is post-Soviet Russia. Not even close. Russia's 1990s "die off" was so severe that the current russian population is lower than it was in 1990. 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia still has less people. In the same period, the US population grew from 240 million to 330 million. In 2010, the US population was…

> The soviet collapse was far worse for russia than ww2 by any measure.

That is literally not true, by a lot. Ww2 hit russia harder then west which was hit super hard. There was whole year of males basically killed (not sure which one, but the ones that were 18 when it all started I think). There were massive atrocities against civilian population, whole areas burned down and all that uncontrolled violence going on along with ethnical cleansing.

What happened is that post ww2, people had children. You lived in communism and people turned into familly instead of to career.

Post communist russia has less children for the same reasons why western countries have less children - you got options if you are ambitious and also need to work if you are not.

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Former heavy drinker here. I used to get very drunk about once a week (exclusively in social situations). I had to cut down on alcohol significantly few years ago, due to a health problem that came about unrelated to drinking. Now I get drunk maybe 2-3 times a year. I was disappointed that I didn't get any of the benefits I frequently found mentioned online. I didn't lose any weight, my skin didn't look better, my th…

Not that I'm encouraging you to try this, but a low dose of nasal ketamine (5-20mg) has you feeling like you've had a few drinks.

The effects last for up to 2 hours, and there is no hangover. In a way that's difficult to describe, the effects also feel "cleaner" somehow than alcohol.

It can be psychologically addictive for some people, but does not cause physical dependency.

If you're adverse to snorting powder (very understandable), ketamine is water soluble, so you can dissolve it in saline solution and put in a metered nasal spray bottle (which typically deliver ~0.13 ml/spray).

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yep. not drinking is one of the best choices anyone could make.

Actually, I would strongly disagree with this claim. As long as you don’t drink and drive, most people would probably benefit from moderate drinking. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h... https://www.insider.com/drinking-health-benefits-heart-nutri...

> most people

At the moment all the evidence we have says that msot people don't get any benefit from drinking. If you're a woman aged over 60 you get some benefit from drinking about one small[1] glass of wine a day (with some days drink free). No-one else gets that benefit. For everyone else the harm increases with dose, although the risks of small amounts of alcohol for most people are very small.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

(Note this article doesn't include harm caused by intoxicated driving or intoxicated violence).

[1] 125 ml of wine at 8% ABV, or about 88 ml of wine at 12%. That's really not much. Most people would have glasses that are 175 ml or 250 ml. (These are standard serving sizes in UK restaurants.)

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I'm so sorry. I've been there too and that powerlessness is devastating. It seems like the pendulum swung too far in the opposite direction from how we treated mental illness in the previous century (aggressively locking people up in institutions). It would be a huge benefit to society if we could find a (relatively safe from abuse) mechanism to treat people who are "functional" yet too mentally ill to stop their sel…

> It would be a huge benefit to society if we could find a (relatively safe from abuse) mechanism to treat people who are "functional" yet too mentally ill to stop their self-destructive behaviors. I'm not sure how that would/could work, but it's a worthwhile goal. There is a way. When I was lost, dealing with my own problematic issues with drinking, I found another path. Taking a single dose of LSD-25 made me examin…

Great, let’s give LSD to everyone instead of alcohol. /s

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My grandfather was an alcoholic, which scared my dad to such an extent that he won't drink at all. I drink fairly often, but only beer. I wonder in these stats how much of this is liquor/spirits vs beer. I just can't see people drinking themselves to death (as in overdosing) with beer because it makes you so full feeling, where as liquor and wines require much less liquid to make you intoxicated that it's much harder…

Keep in mind that not all beer is 4% alcohol.

My grandfather was an alcoholic.

He was stationed at various places in Europe during WW2 and saw some truly horrible things during that time. He had nightmares for the rest of his life.

After the war, he drank vodka for many years, then later switched to cheap, strong lager (something like 8-10%, which tasted like cat's piss), which he drank all day, every day, for another 20 years or so. He didn't eat much during this time, presumably because he was full of lager.

A bit of an aside, but I may as well add some more, since we're sharing stories. He ended up in hospital for a few weeks due to some condition caused by his alcoholism (surprising it took so long, really), and nearly died. He went through withdrawals during that time, and almost dieing gave him quite the scare - he never touched another drop from that day on. It was quite incredible how he was able to just stop with no relapse after drinking so heavily for so long.

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From https://500ish.com/offline-curious-85363c4aed18

> One trend I’m most curious about right now is the rise of no or low alcohol drinks. I noticed this in Europe years ago — that nearly everywhere you went they not only offered, but touted non-alcoholic beverages in bars — highlighting the opposite approach the US was taking: pushing more extreme alcoholic drinks like Four Loko and the like, with non-alcoholic drinks being almost a taboo here. That is changing, quite quickly, it seems.

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post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the US appears to be experiencing a kind of “die off” whose only analogue I can think of is post-Soviet Russia. Not even close. Russia's 1990s "die off" was so severe that the current russian population is lower than it was in 1990. 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia still has less people. In the same period, the US population grew from 240 million to 330 million. In 2010, the US population was…

> The soviet collapse was far worse for russia than ww2 by any measure. That is literally not true, by a lot. Ww2 hit russia harder then west which was hit super hard. There was whole year of males basically killed (not sure which one, but the ones that were 18 when it all started I think). There were massive atrocities against civilian population, whole areas burned down and all that uncontrolled violence going on a…

> Ww2 hit russia harder then west which was hit super hard.

I know. Russia suffered greatly in ww2. That's my point. It's why I compared ww2 to the soviet collapse. That's how awful the soviet collapse was for russia. It was even worse than ww2. I never claimed the west suffered more than russia in ww2. No country suffered more than russia in ww2.

> What happened is that post ww2, people had children.

Not only that they had jobs and hope for the future. Life expectancy increased, everything got better. They became the 2nd largest economy in the world. Everything improved not just from ww2, but even prior to ww2.

The exact opposite happened after the soviet collapse. They stopped having children, people died in droves, life expectancy dropped dramatically, their economy tanked from being #2 economy in the world to a third world hellhole being picked apart by foreign vultures, etc. Even today, 30 years later, russia still hasn't recovered. It took russia 10 years to recover from ww2. In 30 years, russia has yet to recover. In other words, russia is worse off today in population, economy, international clout, etc than they were 30 years ago.

> Post communist russia has less children for the same reasons why western countries have less children - you got options if you are ambitious and also need to work if you are not.

We have less children because we are wealthy and selfish. Russia isn't wealthy. Also, given the growth the west has enjoyed in the last 30 years, we can afford to have less children ( though we probably should be having more ), but russia doesn't have that luxury.

Anyways, people think since bombs weren't dropped during the soviet collapse that ww2 was the worst thing russia experienced in the 20th century, but an objective analysis clearly shows otherwise. Winning ww2 helped russia advance and improve. Losing the cold war truly damaged russia in ways that it doesn't seem capable of recovering from. Not only that Russia has a higher median age than the US. So not only is russia older, it's poorer than the US. That doesn't bode too well for future russian prospects.

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