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Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Debating that there wasn't a conspiracy is different than debating if he killed himself (which can't be proven). So far, there has been a coordinated effort to obscure accountability and records. This is SOP for the US Federal Government, when trying to hide misdeeds from the US population. Typically, we only get windows into what happened later when political opponents need ammunition or decades later when there are…

Again, _any_ solid links about this discussion? The main tell tale sign of crackpots is that they'll tell you a big earful of conspiracy. If they had a solid case they'd just share a link to a solid case. A link with analysis filled with references all the way down to primary sources. I'm always so dissatisfied when I ask for evidence for these things.

There is no scientific way to organize a "solid case" and there is no legal avenue with the federal handwashing that has already been stated (ie it was the guards who simply failed to check up, and criminally falsified records).

A classic denialist position is to require a social process and specific outcome in order to challenge their beliefs, in the face of context. Not that it will change our society, in either case.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Our ruling class is chock full of pedophiles and rapists (Trump, Bill Clinton, Epstein, etc) and because they have all the power and wealth, it gradually filters down to other institutions that depend on sponsorship like MIT. This is what is sometimes called bourgeois decadence.

Epstein was convicted of sex trafficking an underage girl in 2008, by the way, long before many of MIT’s dealings with him. literally convicted, which is surprising! he got a 13 month sentence and spent most of it on “work release” because that is how justice works for billionaires as long as they don’t threaten other billionaires.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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1) Negroponte responded: “I know him quite well. The person who is his closest friend is Marvin Minsky, who even visited him in jail. I would take Berlusconi’s money, so why not Jeff.” (By March 2013, Berlusconi, the former Prime Minister of Italy, had been accused of hiring underaged prostitutes and dating underaged girls.) 2)“I’ve also talked to Nicholas [Negroponte] as well who had met him and he also agrees that…

Age of consent in Italy is 14, like many other European countries. Underage prostitutes not.

But prostitution below the age of 18 is illegal

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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I must agree that the institute (i.e. the faculty and staff) mostly consider students a nuisance unless they are interested in research. But I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet. And if most students HTFP (or claim to) there's a solid group -- even a majority? -- who love it. I admit I was one of the lucky ones for whom it was an almost perfect environment. But even as an undergraduate…

>I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet. Can you name something concrete that the place has actually done? From where I'm sitting, it has worked on a lot of trendy bullshit which never amounted to anything, but got curiously good press. For example, that ridiculously twee and obviously fraudulent claim to have built "personal food computers" is a recent nothingburger that comes to mind. h…

> Can you name something concrete that the place has actually done? F

MIT graduates, faculty and staff have earned quite a few Nobel and Turing prizes; half a dozen graduates have walked on the moon; the lead professor in my Unified class left to become secretary of the Air Force; she was replaced by the former head of NASA. Almost every or every department has contributed in fundamental ways to its respective field.

From Chemistry to Electronics to Mechanical Engineering to Electrical Engineering to Economics to Physics...I think the modern world would be unrecognizable without MIT.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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>I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet. Can you name something concrete that the place has actually done? From where I'm sitting, it has worked on a lot of trendy bullshit which never amounted to anything, but got curiously good press. For example, that ridiculously twee and obviously fraudulent claim to have built "personal food computers" is a recent nothingburger that comes to mind. h…

I’ll admit that doppler radar, noise canceling headphones, RSA cryptography and GPS might all be “trendy”, but they’re only a few of the many, many inventions that came out of MIT, mostly bankrolled by military funding.

None of these are achievements of MIT media labs. Please respond to what I wrote.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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post #245

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>I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet. Can you name something concrete that the place has actually done? From where I'm sitting, it has worked on a lot of trendy bullshit which never amounted to anything, but got curiously good press. For example, that ridiculously twee and obviously fraudulent claim to have built "personal food computers" is a recent nothingburger that comes to mind. h…

> Can you name something concrete that the place has actually done? F MIT graduates, faculty and staff have earned quite a few Nobel and Turing prizes; half a dozen graduates have walked on the moon; the lead professor in my Unified class left to become secretary of the Air Force; she was replaced by the former head of NASA. Almost every or every department has contributed in fundamental ways to its respective field.…

None of these are achievements of MIT media labs.

Everyone knows that MIT the school, as opposed to Negroponte's pedo-blackmailer funded wank fest, has historically done some important things. If you were originally saying MIT the school is a net positive for humanity, that's not what I am asking for clarification on at all.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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> Normally one would give the benefit of the doubt, but given the abhorrent acts people were perpetrating or turning a blind eye to in this case, I'm inclined not to. I think this is a dangerous way to look at things... Just because there's a lot of shady people doing awful things, doesn't mean we should tar everyone who associated with the person. Whatever other things happened with other people doesn't really matte…

> I think this is a dangerous way to look at things No it is not. Its sound. > Whatever other things happened with other people doesn't really matter. YES. They Do! The guy was trafficking kids for sex and blackmail, and was frequently ferrying high profile people to his island which to every account was used for sex acts with minors. The witnesses are many. His ties to Mossad, high powered elites in royal and politi…

> It just came out that Comey's daughter was responsible for the deleted tapes from the prison FFS...

what?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51053205

no sir, that's not even wrong. take your conspiracy theories somewhere else.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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> Professor Lloyd also visited Epstein’s private island, though for only a few hours for lunch, I live a fairly privileged life as a U.S. West Coast techie...and stopping at a private island for a few hours sounds crazy. Do non-billionaire people (active academics at that) really lead lives like this? `

“If poor people knew how rich rich people are, there would be riots in the streets”

For a random visualization attempt:

"Everyone in this room, stand up. Every second we're going to count a million dollars. If your net worth is less than that amount, sit down."

Most people will sit down in a second or two. Some might last ten seconds.

A billionaire will still be standing 16 minutes later. Every second, a million dollars ticking away.

TWO DAYS later, you're getting to the richest people in the world. Remember, one million dollars a second.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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post #175

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I know several people who were at that island and have discussed this event; one even told me that he remembered it because Marvin came over to him and said "this woman just offered to have sex with me." Also Gloria, his wife, was there, though I haven't asked her about it (and wouldn't). This seems believable to me. OTOH I did read Giuffre's deposition and she says not just that she was told by Epstein to propositio…

I don't think it's correct that the deposition says that sex happened -- I'd greatly appreciate a reference to that if you have one. The deposition contains questions like "Where were you and where was Ms. Maxwell when she directed you to go have sex with Marvin Minsky?", which seem to focus entirely on Maxwell's behavior rather than telling us what Minsky's response was. (For the record I think Minsky's conduct -- i…

Deposition page 204 line 13 (marginally ambiguous).

My point about Marvin not being super famous is if I were making something up I'd make it up about famous people.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14ZOEKwoBnDKUFI1hLbFJH5nsUFx...

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