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Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by erikpukinskis »

totalZero wrote: post #143
gumby wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the institute but I agree they really need to think hard about how it runs. The past 30 years have been a continuous project in weaning the institute off being merely a very large government research lab.* IMHO this process has not been successful. * with a small school bolted onto the side: the educational side of the institute is only 16% of the budget and is run at a small loss. This might explain their int…

The Institute doesn't deserve your love. It has a habit of not protecting young people in its own community. Now it's under fire for turning a blind eye to the abuse of young people by its donors. Let the Institute burn. It brought this upon itself.

They killed Aaron Swartz after all.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by AndrewBissell »

malvosenior wrote: post #8

The report itself is rather interesting: http://factfindingjan2020.mit.edu/files/MIT-report.pdf > After meeting Epstein in February 2013, Ito conducted what he described as “due diligence” into Epstein. Ito told us that he performed a Google search of Epstein and also spoke with certain individuals to learn more. According to Ito, the “influential” people with whom he spoke included Nicholas Negroponte, Media Lab co-…

Ah yes, Woody Allen, the well-known judge of character when it comes to matters of child sexual abuse.

The "former prime minister of Israel" was probably Ehud Barak, who solicited $1 million in seed money from Epstein for his startup Carbyne, received large political donations from Epstein's benefactor Les Wexner, and was a frequent guest at Epstein's NYC mansion.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by azernik »

empath75 wrote: post #21
malvosenior wrote: post #8

The report itself is rather interesting: http://factfindingjan2020.mit.edu/files/MIT-report.pdf > After meeting Epstein in February 2013, Ito conducted what he described as “due diligence” into Epstein. Ito told us that he performed a Google search of Epstein and also spoke with certain individuals to learn more. According to Ito, the “influential” people with whom he spoke included Nicholas Negroponte, Media Lab co-…

> and a well-known Harvard Law School professor. almost certainly Alan Dershowitz, who is up to his eyeballs in epstein dirt.

The the former Israeli Prime Minister probably being Barak; Israeli media has uncovered that Epstein gave him use of his NY apartment, and millions in investments.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by leoc »

malvosenior wrote: post #142
mlyle wrote: post #131

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Yah-- Epstein did something nice for Hawking -- unknown if before or after the conviction-- therefore one can reasonably expect that Hawking knew Epstein was raping underage girls on his island and that Hawking participated. /s

There were definitely young women around when Hawking was there. I don't know if they were underage, but it I don't think it's safe to say Hawking knew nothing. By all accounts the island was full of girls and decorated with photographs of nude photos of them (some underage). You can see Hawking surrounded by women on the island here: https://cloverchronicle.com/2019/07/24/stephen-hawking-pictu...

(Odd website, though. It looks like something being run by an intel agency.)

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by amiga_500 »

ergothus wrote: post #80
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #20

From the report http://factfindingjan2020.mit.edu/files/MIT-report.pdf Professor Lloyd's dealings look very, very shady: > Professor Lloyd remained friends with Epstein after his conviction in 2008. He visited Epstein at his office in Florida during the period of Epstein’s criminal sentence. Professor Lloyd also visited Epstein’s private island, though for only a few hours for lunch, and he has acknowledged Epstein i…

> Professor Lloyd also visited Epstein’s private island, though for only a few hours for lunch, I live a fairly privileged life as a U.S. West Coast techie...and stopping at a private island for a few hours sounds crazy. Do non-billionaire people (active academics at that) really lead lives like this? `

“If poor people knew how rich rich people are, there would be riots in the streets”

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by [deleted] »

sequoia wrote: post #193
mlyle wrote: post #127

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> Normally one would give the benefit of the doubt, but given the abhorrent acts people were perpetrating or turning a blind eye to in this case, I'm inclined not to. I think this is a dangerous way to look at things... Just because there's a lot of shady people doing awful things, doesn't mean we should tar everyone who associated with the person. Whatever other things happened with other people doesn't really matte…

> I think this is a dangerous way to look at things That's a fair point. I should have said "while a small technical oversight such as stating 'he went for lunch ' as a fact (absent proof) would normally not be worth highlighting, the facts of this case make me feel that even such small technical oversights should be avoided or highlighted when they occur." By "the facts of this case" I mean the facts that 1) Epstein…

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by SkyMarshal »

sequoia wrote: post #96
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #20

From the report http://factfindingjan2020.mit.edu/files/MIT-report.pdf Professor Lloyd's dealings look very, very shady: > Professor Lloyd remained friends with Epstein after his conviction in 2008. He visited Epstein at his office in Florida during the period of Epstein’s criminal sentence. Professor Lloyd also visited Epstein’s private island, though for only a few hours for lunch, and he has acknowledged Epstein i…

> Professor Lloyd also visited Epstein’s private island, though for only a few hours for lunch Normally one would give the benefit of the doubt, but given the abhorrent acts people were perpetrating or turning a blind eye to in this case, I'm inclined not to. Hence this question of fact: Unless there are credible witnesses attesting to the fact that he spent his few hours on that island eating lunch, the report shoul…

To be honest it's not even clear that "for a few hours" is fact. It doesn't appear to be footnoted or sourced in the report.

Visiting a private island in the Caribbean from your home base in Boston is a full day affair. Total one-way travel time from MIT campus to that island is about half a day. Seems at least as likely to have been an overnight trip.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by droithomme »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #227
sequoia wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Professor Lloyd also visited Epstein’s private island, though for only a few hours for lunch Normally one would give the benefit of the doubt, but given the abhorrent acts people were perpetrating or turning a blind eye to in this case, I'm inclined not to. Hence this question of fact: Unless there are credible witnesses attesting to the fact that he spent his few hours on that island eating lunch, the report shoul…

To be honest it's not even clear that "for a few hours" is fact. It doesn't appear to be footnoted or sourced in the report. Visiting a private island in the Caribbean from your home base in Boston is a full day affair. Total one-way travel time from MIT campus to that island is about half a day. Seems at least as likely to have been an overnight trip.

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> Professor Lloyd remained friends with Epstein after his conviction in 2008. He visited Epstein at his office in Florida during the period of Epstein’s criminal sentence. Professor Lloyd also visited Epstein’s private island, though for only a few hours for lunch, and he has acknowledged Epstein in his academic publications. While Professor Lloyd clearly valued Epstein as a source of potential funding, he also told us he believed that, by continuing to engage with Epstein post-conviction, he could be part of Epstein’s rehabilitation.

The way it's phrased it isn't clear if this was a one time visit or multiple times. "He visited the island" is an ambiguous statement as regards one time or many.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by ghc »

scottlocklin wrote: post #213
gumby wrote: post #164

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I must agree that the institute (i.e. the faculty and staff) mostly consider students a nuisance unless they are interested in research. But I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet. And if most students HTFP (or claim to) there's a solid group -- even a majority? -- who love it. I admit I was one of the lucky ones for whom it was an almost perfect environment. But even as an undergraduate…

>I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet. Can you name something concrete that the place has actually done? From where I'm sitting, it has worked on a lot of trendy bullshit which never amounted to anything, but got curiously good press. For example, that ridiculously twee and obviously fraudulent claim to have built "personal food computers" is a recent nothingburger that comes to mind. h…

I’ll admit that doppler radar, noise canceling headphones, RSA cryptography and GPS might all be “trendy”, but they’re only a few of the many, many inventions that came out of MIT, mostly bankrolled by military funding.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by buescher »

scottlocklin wrote: post #213
gumby wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must agree that the institute (i.e. the faculty and staff) mostly consider students a nuisance unless they are interested in research. But I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet. And if most students HTFP (or claim to) there's a solid group -- even a majority? -- who love it. I admit I was one of the lucky ones for whom it was an almost perfect environment. But even as an undergraduate…

>I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet. Can you name something concrete that the place has actually done? From where I'm sitting, it has worked on a lot of trendy bullshit which never amounted to anything, but got curiously good press. For example, that ridiculously twee and obviously fraudulent claim to have built "personal food computers" is a recent nothingburger that comes to mind. h…

I am quite amused by MIT having to make some kind of apology for Jeffrey Epstein, but: the Rad Lab series, unless you count that as curiously good press.
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