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Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by dls2016 » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 1:27 AM UTC

empath75 wrote: post #21

malvosenior wrote: post #8

The report itself is rather interesting: http://factfindingjan2020.mit.edu/files/MIT-report.pdf > After meeting Epstein in February 2013, Ito conducted what he described as “due diligence” into Epstein. Ito told us that he performed a Google search of Epstein and also spoke with certain individuals to learn more. According to Ito, the “influential” people with whom he spoke included Nicholas Negroponte, Media Lab co-…

> and a well-known Harvard Law School professor. almost certainly Alan Dershowitz, who is up to his eyeballs in epstein dirt.

It was a PANTS ON massage!

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by ww520 » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 1:38 AM UTC

dguaraglia wrote: post #198

ww520 wrote: post #161

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Are you saying Donald Trump work with James Comey's daughter Maurene Comey (the assistant prosecutor for the Epstein's case) to destroy the suicide video?

No. I'm just pointing out that there's a lot of conspiracy theories trying to link people who had at best tangential relationships with Epstein with his demise, but somehow manage to ignore that literally the most powerful man on planet Earth had a lot to lose from Epstein's indiscretions becoming public. It's interesting how conspiracy theories seem to always have a very particular... 'conservative' bias.

So the Russian collusion conspiracy is a "conservative" bias. That's pretty interesting.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by scottlocklin » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 1:43 AM UTC

gumby wrote: post #164

totalZero wrote: post #143

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The Institute doesn't deserve your love. It has a habit of not protecting young people in its own community. Now it's under fire for turning a blind eye to the abuse of young people by its donors. Let the Institute burn. It brought this upon itself.

I must agree that the institute (i.e. the faculty and staff) mostly consider students a nuisance unless they are interested in research. But I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet. And if most students HTFP (or claim to) there's a solid group -- even a majority? -- who love it. I admit I was one of the lucky ones for whom it was an almost perfect environment. But even as an undergraduate…

>I think it's been and continues to be a net positive for the planet.

Can you name something concrete that the place has actually done? From where I'm sitting, it has worked on a lot of trendy bullshit which never amounted to anything, but got curiously good press.

For example, that ridiculously twee and obviously fraudulent claim to have built "personal food computers" is a recent nothingburger that comes to mind.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mit-media-lab-personal-food-...

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by LgWoodenBadger » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 2:05 AM UTC

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #136

roenxi wrote: post #108

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Epstein might still be alive and the whole thing some sort of elaborate witness protection scheme to protect him from all of the people who want him dead. So there might not be corruption all the way to the top. Corruption seems like an easier explanation though.

This sounds like the plot of Michael Crichton's next thriller.

Michael Crichton generally wrote sci fi. Maybe you mean John Grisham or John LeCarre, or similar.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by ty___ler » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 2:05 AM UTC

pledess wrote: post #171

> Epstein was joined by one or two female assistants who appeared to be in their twenties, which made some people uncomfortable ... A Media Lab staff member told us that she was "grossed out" during of one Epstein's visits to the Media Lab, both because ... and because Epstein brought female assistants in their twenties with him. Is anyone interpreting this as "At MIT, it's reasonable to be prejudiced against young w…

He trafficked underage sex slaves

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by AndrewBissell » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 2:13 AM UTC

malvosenior wrote: post #27

empath75 wrote: post #21

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> and a well-known Harvard Law School professor. almost certainly Alan Dershowitz, who is up to his eyeballs in epstein dirt.

Yes, and the LinkedIn co-founder is obviously Reid Hoffman. Here's a series of Tweets from Aanand Giridharadas talking about discovering some of this information and how they reacted to it: https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1169947031806365696

Reid Hoffman arranged a 2015 dinner where he invited Epstein, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, and Elon Musk. Epstein would later tell a New York Times reporter that he knew intimate & embarrassing details of the sex lives of numerous tech luminaries. I'm sure it's all nothing though. Hoffman says he regrets it so he's in the clear. Even still has his podcast on NPR!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/linkedin-founder-reid-hoffman-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-...

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by erikpukinskis » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 2:16 AM UTC

3fe9a03ccd14ca5 wrote: post #169

AlanYx wrote: post #116

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My jaw dropped when I read page 9 of the report, it says "Professor Minsky (who passed away in 2016) had worked with Epstein to organize an off-campus conference on artificial intelligence that same year." That's quite a charitable characterization! The conference in question wasn't just any "off-campus conference" -- it was held on Epstein's island. Minsky had also organized a two-day symposium on Epstein's island s…

Ugh. Everything about that island creeps me out. Hopefully someone (maxwell) is talking about what really happened there.

We have testimony about what happened there: underage girls were taken there and had their passports taken away.

Listen to TrueAnon to hear all about it and enjoy banter with your fellow SF labor organizing comrades.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by AndrewBissell » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 2:20 AM UTC

throwaway21210 wrote: post #137

mlyle wrote: post #131

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Yah-- Epstein did something nice for Hawking -- unknown if before or after the conviction-- therefore one can reasonably expect that Hawking knew Epstein was raping underage girls on his island and that Hawking participated. /s

I'll admit the Hawking part was poorly worded. I didn't intend to specifically point the finger at him. However Mark Newman's own descriptions of spending days on this Island, eating breakfast with Epstein and all of his guests. Well I'm very suspect.

Epstein was, by all accounts, absolutely obsessed with sex and abusing underaged girls. One of his victims described the abuse he and Ghislaine Maxwell committed as "a full time job."

So the question is, was he more or less restrained in broadcasting his proclivities in the early 2000s before his first conviction? And, was he more or less restrained on his private island which was essentially constructed for the purpose of facilitating his abuse?

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by cjbprime » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 2:20 AM UTC

gumby wrote: post #175

malvosenior wrote: post #85

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Marvin Minsky was accused of assaulting Virgina Guiffre. Virginia had been trafficked by Epstein starting when she was 15. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/new-details-in-unsea... > Giuffre also alleges Epstein and Maxwell told her to have sex with former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson; former Democratic Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell; the late MIT computer scientist Marvin Minsky; and MC2 model a…

I know several people who were at that island and have discussed this event; one even told me that he remembered it because Marvin came over to him and said "this woman just offered to have sex with me." Also Gloria, his wife, was there, though I haven't asked her about it (and wouldn't). This seems believable to me. OTOH I did read Giuffre's deposition and she says not just that she was told by Epstein to propositio…

I don't think it's correct that the deposition says that sex happened -- I'd greatly appreciate a reference to that if you have one.

The deposition contains questions like "Where were you and where was Ms. Maxwell when she directed you to go have sex with Marvin Minsky?", which seem to focus entirely on Maxwell's behavior rather than telling us what Minsky's response was.

(For the record I think Minsky's conduct -- in continuing to associate with Epstein after being offered sex by a young woman on Epstein's private island and then continuing to host conferences there after Epstein's conviction -- is terrible either way, but agreeing on which facts are actually known seems important.)

Re: Jeffrey Epstein and MIT: FAQs

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Post by cjbprime » Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 2:24 AM UTC

malvosenior wrote: post #203

gowld wrote: post #200

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Why does that say "Epstein and Maxwell told her to have sex with" and not "had sex with, as ordered by Epstein and Maxwell" ? Did Giuffre say that the sex happened?

Yes, she did claim that. Here's a better link: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article233728717.html > In the lawsuit, Giuffre claimed she was forced to have sex with a “large amount of people,” some of whom had not previously been named, including former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, former U.S. Senator George Mitchell, Hyatt hotels magnate Tom Pritzker, hedge fund manager Glenn Dubin, the late Massachuset…

That's the Miami Herald misunderstanding the deposition, I believe. The actual deposition talks about her being directed to offer sex to these people, but doesn't say explicitly whether they accepted it.

Example quote from the deposition: "Where were you and where was Ms. Maxwell when she directed you to go have sex with Marvin Minsky?"