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2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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Re: 2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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It's just a great summary of the concerns I'm living with on a day-to-day basis. Everything is there for non-geek to understand the big picture. AI, Robotics, Singularity, Biotics will lead us to the biggest disruption of the mankind era. One subject that I like that is not talked about : the ability of those supermind to work together lightning fast to form an even more powerful machine or robot.

Nice video of Ray Kurzweil talking about all that and Watson(IBM) playing Jeopardy!. http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2011-02-09-kurzweil09_ST...

Re: 2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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All of Kurzweil's predictions are based on extrapolating exponential growth.

That's all very well, but exponential growth in physical systems is usually restricted within limits. In a such a system the negative feedback may also be growing exponentially, which means although initially it may be too small to be noticed, after the growth passes some boundary the negative feedback becomes relevant and the overall growth is no longer exponential.

Unfortunately it's impossible to tell where we are on the growth graph (Although some claim that probability suggests that we are closer to the end. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_argument). Kurzweil makes the assumption we are at the beginning of the growth curve. We could be at the end where the negative feedback is about to overtake and growth will slow.

There will be limits. The speed of light could be a hard limit on computing speed. Or ultimately heat-death could be the hard limit, but there is a limit somewhere. The question is how close are we to the limit and that is something we are only likely to know when we reach it.

See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#Limitations_...

Re: 2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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I read pretty much exactly the same prediction in "The Mighty Micro" in the early 80s (intelligent machines. immortality) etc. - which pretty much influenced me to do a CS degree and go into postgraduate AI research.

Nobody would be more delighted than me if immortality is achieved in 2045 (I'll be 80!) but do I expect it? Not really, nor do I expect effective commercial fusion power either (which also has a habit of being a couple of decades away and has been for the last 60 years).

[Edit: Note that I do believe that artificial general intelligence is perfectly possible (we do, after all, have a working example) just that it won't happen any time soon.]

Re: 2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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post #9

Why does everyone seem to think that machine intelligence is solely a function of processor speed?

You'd better hope it is. If hardware is what limits the rate of improvement of AI, you get slow growth. If knowledge of how to write the software (perhaps by copying algorithms from the brain) limits it, then you get sudden improvements and serious potential for a runaway singularity.

Re: 2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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I remain unconvinced that a transplanted consciousness would really be the same person as opposed to a new, identical person. What's worse, it might be impossible to tell the difference since even the new consciousness wouldn't be able to know.

But it'd really suck to be the last generation before some significant increase in lifespan (say, up to 200) is reached.

Re: 2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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post #14

The Law of Futurology: y - t = 0 y = approximate number of years left in the life of a futurist t = years futurist thinks it will be until immortality is discovered http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1968

Which would make sense as a complaint if Kurzweil were giving a date without any context, but makes no sense when set against:

1. a rolling series of more mundane predictions providing justification and context

2. some of which were made in the past concerning the present, and were mostly right.

Re: 2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal

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post #18

I remain unconvinced that a transplanted consciousness would really be the same person as opposed to a new, identical person. What's worse, it might be impossible to tell the difference since even the new consciousness wouldn't be able to know. … But it'd really suck to be the last generation before some significant increase in lifespan (say, up to 200) is reached.

Greg Egan's Permuation City has an interesting examination of what might happen to "copies":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permutation_City

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