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Re: Benchmarking DNS response times of TLDs

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Post by omnimus »

pidg wrote: post #27
pjc50 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even .org.uk isn't foolproof; I've had mine for 20 years and still occasionally get people leaving off the .uk. The most recent suspect is Google Android keyboard will autocomplete my email address .. and leave off the ".uk"!

As the former holder of yahoo.org.uk, I can also confirm that ordinary people don't understand the difference between .org.uk and .co.uk.

why is that .co.uk anyway? like other countries have .de .nl.. at certain point i thought its smebody owning co.or reselling subdomains.

Re: Benchmarking DNS response times of TLDs

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Post by toast0 »

mxuribe wrote: post #117
toast0 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 0] By the way, the .ORG version for my domain name was available years ago, but I wasn't a non-profit, so felt i didn't want to grab it; happily allowing any true, legitimate non-profit to scoop it up. My mental jury is still out on whether that was a wise decision that i made or not. Because of recent news of the .ORG registry, maybe I'll make a separate post on this topic. Not that it matters, but in my mind, .CO…

I share your perception of what .COM, .NET, and .ORG stood for. And, to answer your question, i have no relation to the Cocos islands...further, if I were somehow negatively impacting the inhabitants of said region, i would have never obtained the domain name. (I'm not that kind of person.) Besides, the domain name was for my personal/family email only, that's it - not any commercial entity or network service, etc. -…

Sorry, I'm aware everyone was/is doing it, and it's encouraged and acceptable. I see that's not clear from my message; I didn't mean to imply you made a bad choice.

I just would have ignored the intent of .org or .net before a country tld.

Re: Benchmarking DNS response times of TLDs

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Post by aloknnikhil »

st_goliath wrote: post #54

Friendly reminder for people on HN reading this: I know this is actually quite interesting, but before you start worrying about the latency of the name servers of your TLD, you might want to do something about the metric ton of JavaScript on your site and the 25 different 3rd party servers from which you side load most of it. Also those 6 additional servers from which you load a bunch of TTF fonts. Especially if all…

Absolutely agree with this. The first time I installed the uMatrix extension, half the sites were broken because they wouldn't load unless I greenlighted access to all the third-party servers. Only 30% of the sites I've come across didn't need tinkering with uMatrix to work.

PS: uMatrix disables loading of resources (IFrames, scripts, etc.) if it's not served by the first-party (i.e. The domain itself) domain by default.

Re: Benchmarking DNS response times of TLDs

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Post by omnimus »

Eikon wrote: post #36
SiVal wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you (or someone) explain this? (I'm not arguing, I'm interested.)

You can only put CNAME records at the zone APEX if there is no other records kinds as a CNAME is supposed to be a synonymous. If you had records such as: @ IN A 127.0.0.1 @ IN CNAME example.org. The server could not answer anything sensible as you now just introduced an ambiguity. The "nasty tricks" I was referring to is basically records such as ALIAS that you may find at some providers. The way they work is roughly…

Noob question: Lets say i am fine with all going to www. or other subdomains mainly because i like using cname to point to other server. I still need to set some Apex record no? if A is blank i dont have anything to do the redirect to www. or what i am missing? Thank you!

Re: Benchmarking DNS response times of TLDs

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Post by 3xblah »

arthurcolle wrote: post #91
arminiusreturns wrote: post #80

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To add to this, one thing people tend to forget is that html has a dns prefetch option for offsite js you absolutely must have. (rel=dns-prefetch) Of course I agree with goliath, which is why I try very hard to write pure html5+css3 with no JS unless absolutely necessary. It is very rarely necessary. When it is, very rarely do I need one of the crazy frameworks, pure js works pretty well. Beyond that, this is why adb…

> rel=dns-prefetch This is amazing! How could I have missed this? How are the loading times affected when using this option, if you care to share?

Beware even some text-only browsers have added prefetching; need to patch source to turn it off

And then there are browsers that have internal stub resolver. Horrible

https://www.reddit.com/r/chrome/comments/bgh8th/chrome_73_di...

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/X-...

https://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/dns-pre...

https://www.ghacks.net/2019/04/23/missing-chromes-use-a-pred...

https://www.ghacks.net/2013/04/27/firefox-prefetching-what-y...

https://www.ghacks.net/2010/04/16/google-chrome-dns-fetching...

I have been doing "DNS prefetching" before this term existed

I do non-recursive lookups and store the data I need in custom zone files or HOST file. I get faster lookups than any "solution" from any third party.

It is sad how much control is taken from the user, always with the stated goal of "making the web faster".

In many cases they are makng it slower. The irony of this blog post by a CDN about TLD latency is that some CDNs actually cause DNS-related delay by requiring excessive numbers of queries to resolve names, e.g., Akamai

Users have the option to choose for themselves the IP address they want to use for a given resource. If they find that the connection is slow, then they can switch to another one. Same idea as choosing a mirror when downloading open source software. Some users might want this selection done for them automatically, others might not

Re: Benchmarking DNS response times of TLDs

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Post by mxuribe »

toast0 wrote: post #122
mxuribe wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share your perception of what .COM, .NET, and .ORG stood for. And, to answer your question, i have no relation to the Cocos islands...further, if I were somehow negatively impacting the inhabitants of said region, i would have never obtained the domain name. (I'm not that kind of person.) Besides, the domain name was for my personal/family email only, that's it - not any commercial entity or network service, etc. -…

Sorry, I'm aware everyone was/is doing it, and it's encouraged and acceptable. I see that's not clear from my message; I didn't mean to imply you made a bad choice. I just would have ignored the intent of .org or .net before a country tld.

I appreciate that clarification; all good, no worries. And, yes, having learned from my .CC experience all these years now, going forward I will ignore the intents of .org, .net, etc. before looking at ccTLD. Cheers!

Re: Benchmarking DNS response times of TLDs

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Post by Symbiote »

omnimus wrote: post #121
pidg wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the former holder of yahoo.org.uk, I can also confirm that ordinary people don't understand the difference between .org.uk and .co.uk.

why is that .co.uk anyway? like other countries have .de .nl.. at certain point i thought its smebody owning co.or reselling subdomains.

Like many countries, .UK had a second-level set of categories for different types of organization. There's also .net.uk, .sch.uk, .ac.uk, .gov.uk, .nhs.uk, .mod.uk, .police.uk, ...

.AU, .NZ, .JP, .MX, .BR, .TH... it's not uncommon.

Re: Benchmarking DNS response times of TLDs

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Post by jedberg »

omnimus wrote: post #124
Eikon wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can only put CNAME records at the zone APEX if there is no other records kinds as a CNAME is supposed to be a synonymous. If you had records such as: @ IN A 127.0.0.1 @ IN CNAME example.org. The server could not answer anything sensible as you now just introduced an ambiguity. The "nasty tricks" I was referring to is basically records such as ALIAS that you may find at some providers. The way they work is roughly…

Noob question: Lets say i am fine with all going to www. or other subdomains mainly because i like using cname to point to other server. I still need to set some Apex record no? if A is blank i dont have anything to do the redirect to www. or what i am missing? Thank you!

Yes, you still need an apex record with an actual IP address. And ideally something listening at that IP address that will redirect to the www address on both http and https.

Re: Benchmarking DNS response times of TLDs

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Post by Faark »

frereubu wrote: post #16

We have a client who insisted on using a .house domain. It kept triggering alerts on our uptime monitoring service with DNS errors, so we had to reduce the sensitivity of that specific test. We also had a client who had to change their TLD from .healthcare to .org.uk because (a) people were confused because they didn't understand that there are all these new TLDs and kept adding .co.uk, .org etc and (b) some NHS syst…

> I've come across a significant minority of people who need that "www" as a clear signal that it's a website

Now more than ever. Before they opened the tld floodgates you could be pretty sure [word].[commonTld] could be put into your browser.

So yeah, guess we have to keep using those 4 letters or come up with alternative solutions. Funniest I've seen was an ad using http:// instead.

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