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Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Interesting. Will there be a nationwide push to hire more men to make up for all of this inequality?

There are some legitimate concerns related to having basically only women teaching young children, but the issue seems to predominantly be that men don't want to do it.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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The more interesting thing is the distribution of income. I would happily bet that there still is a considerable gap between women on average and men on average and that the total amount taken home by that majority is significantly less than the total amount for the men.

Women tend to choose jobs that pay less. They're on average more interested in people, so they tend to choose to become nurses, teachers, etc., while men are interested in things and become software developers, engineers, etc. I have no idea why income HAS TO be distributed equally. Unless you want to force women to become software developers..? But why.

Ignoring everything else wrong with your post, I'll just point out that most software developers were originally women before about 1960 -- it was seen as "woman's work" because it didn't require physical labor. Women were significant contributors to the development of computing from the very beginning -- in fact, "software" as a concept was invented by a woman [1]. The profession didn't become high-status or highly-paid until after men took over (and shut out the women by redefining it as "men's work").

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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I find this fairly astounding. The typical stay-at-home parent is the mother and while it's getting closer to parity I don't think it's anywhere near even. For that reason alone I would expect more men in the work force. What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier?

> What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier?

Committing suicide?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

It's a horrible observation, as men are obviously in crisis.

There's a large percentage of working age men not in the labor force too.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS15000001

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2018/beyond-bls/mens-declining-...

Some perhaps they lost prior jobs and did not regain positions of parity, now they're disenfranchised, socially isolated, in some form of despair, or even homeless.

Anecdotally, the homeless populations I see everywhere in the west coast are 99% males aged 25-50.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/when-young-...

I'm seeing a lot of this in my extended family. If society isn't telling you that you have a primary role in creating and supporting a family, and that you're necessary for the future of society itself, it turns out that you need a lot less money to survive, and you have a lot more time on your hands.

I'm part of the problem I suppose, in so much as one can call it a problem. I gave up dating a decade ago because being in a relationship was not necessary for my life goals and dating was a pain in the ass, plan to semi-retire early with a relatively minimalist lifestyle and part time job, etc.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have less children then before and are waaay more likely to go back to work after being stay at home temporary. The stay at home moms might not be that large portion of population.

There are about 9 million stay at home moms. That does seem small to me. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/24/stay-at-hom...

That is out of 327.2 million Americans (both genders).

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think US is moving towards Japan? I.e. a significant population of herbivore men (60%?) that get no benefit from associating with women, losing this motivational signal and dropping out of society?

There might be also factor of women not getting benefit from associating with men. You can't assume that all decisions were made by males only.

I think it's both; I spent some time in Kyoto and have clearer perspective. Both genders there grew apart from each other, pursuing different, incompatible goals, with huge cumulative effects on society.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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I find this fairly astounding. The typical stay-at-home parent is the mother and while it's getting closer to parity I don't think it's anywhere near even. For that reason alone I would expect more men in the work force. What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier?

Some are being "proprietors, private household employees, unpaid volunteers, farm employees and the unincorporated self-employed." From a link somebody else posted https://www.stlouisfed.org/open-vault/2019/july/nonfarm-payr... Unincorporated self-employed sounds like tradesmen, laborers, and some kinds of professionals which is a lot of men.

and uber drivers.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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I don't have data to back this up, but it's something I am now going to try to research. However I feel that there is a slight trend away from your traditional payroll job into independent small business careers (youtuber, blogger, streamer, freelancer, etc..). I'm curious how that affects these numbers.

If I had to take a guess I'd say almost not at all. For example, Twitch only has 27,000 streamers with the Partner status, and only a fraction of them make a living off of it. There's enough to be a cultural phenomena but not significantly change the workforce.

Freelance writers, independent consultants/contractors/tradespeople, and some professional jobs like those are probably more significant. But I agree those other categories are almost certainly in the noise for actually making a living. (Though it's not clear that any of these non-salaried jobs count here at all.)

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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post #58

Interesting. Will there be a nationwide push to hire more men to make up for all of this inequality?

Not sure what inequality you're talking about, given that the US population is right at a 50/50 split between men and women. Then again, I'm not sure how genuine you're being here.

Presumably they are referring to the healthcare and education fields being over 3/4 women. In my opinion, whether such disparities are problematic, and in which fields, is a genuine question.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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The labor force participation rates for men and women are currently at 69.2% and 57.7% respectively. They arbitrarily exclude farming positions but cite mining, logging, manufacturing, transportation, and warehouse roles traditionally occupied by men. This article doesn't really seem to paint a full or accurate picture.
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