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In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are essential to a career

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Attractiveness has always affected opportunities afforded to people and other people’s perceptions of you. This is not just in tech. Hell, it influences elections! This is just human nature and has been studied extensively. It’s just trendy to bash Silicon Valley for this, because, you know, everyone on Wall Street is wearing suits for the comfort factor... However, I think there’s an upper bounds on where that matte…

Also, unattractive people would feel like shit in this environment.

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> Only the previous week, he says, he returned from a 10-day trip to Italy’s Amalfi Coast. Before that, he boasts, he journeyed to a yoga retreat and juice cleanse in Bali, the perfect setting to unload the stress he absorbs working at a well-known tech company in Silicon Valley. After ending a five-year marriage and shedding 10 pounds of subcutaneous fat several years back — his sun-kissed body now carb- and toxin-f…

This sounds less like a developer and more like an Adam Neumann type. So, not the worker drones who do the unsexy job of putting stuff together and making it work, but the charismatic Don Draper type who goes to pitch billionaires on the "vision".

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Also, be tall, that doesn't hurt.

Interesting story about China and leg lengthening procedures. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&obj...

Not interesting, just light on facts. It says the procedure is now banned for cosmetic reasons after a few patients were "disfigured".

How where they disfigured, since the legs are as far apart as can be from the face?

If it's the leg that looks ugly afterwards, can't the leg be fixed? Was there a bone problem? An infection ??

I don't think I would go that fact personally, but if there was something possible for the chest, I would seriously consider it.

Pumping iron can only take you so far. The bones underneath set the actual limit.

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One theory is that good looking software engineers aren't software engineers for very long. Why would you get paid shit wages when you can be a VP of telling people what to do? Call it the "jock-ification" of the tech world. It was bad enough when they were in high school, now they've infiltrated the tech world.

>Why would you get paid shit wages I'm not sure we're working in the same industry / living in the same world.

The managers of those well paid engineers are even more well paid

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One theory is that good looking software engineers aren't software engineers for very long. Why would you get paid shit wages when you can be a VP of telling people what to do? Call it the "jock-ification" of the tech world. It was bad enough when they were in high school, now they've infiltrated the tech world.

> "Call it the "jock-ification" of the tech world. It was bad enough when they were in high school, now they've infiltrated the tech world." The "jock/nerd dichotomy" is a dumb harmful stereotype used by lazy hollywood and television writers. Many of the smartest people I've ever known were also the most athletic. There is NO inverse relationship between physical fitness and intelligence. If anything, there is a posi…

I found the dichotomy basically real in high school, but once I came to San Francisco, the smartest and highest-achieving people around were also ripped, or at least slender. I was never self-conscious about it in high school or college, but here I felt a lot of pressure to start exercising, and I think it's been good for me.

The high-school-like dichotomy has more to do with affect. Everyone is athletic, but you can definitely tell the boisterous business bros from the soft-spoken engineers.

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It's also not a bad idea to be rich, and whatever the most desirable gender and ethnicity are for your area, but those things are less actionable than social skills, fitness, and beauty.

beauty is not achievable.

Sure it is! Cosmetics are an enormous industry for this reason. For men, it's more about having a proper haircut, facial hair that suits your bone structure (which is kind of men's makeup), clothes that fit, and good posture.

If you don't believe me, consult with some of your more attractive friends, and have yourself a makeover day to try it out. You can look like a million bucks for the cost of a haircut and a new outfit. Even if you're out of shape, you can present yourself just fine.

If you're feeling really brave, doll yourself up as nicely as you can, and consult a forum (not HN) on your appearance. Reddit has a few communities that do this sort of thing. You can dial yourself in to what most people would considered "beautiful" pretty quickly if you want to do it.

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I'm pretty convinced that the most important thing you can do for your career after achieving basic technical competence is to be more attractive, both physically and socially. The reality is that you're going to have an easier time making connections and getting access to opportunities if you're well-mannered, sociable, and attractive.

Also, be tall, that doesn't hurt.

Well, these days, being attractive conflates with being already tall.

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Maybe some 15 years ago I had a job interview. It went well and I was asked to meet the co-founders at a downtown bar. Being dressed rather casually I asked if it was appropriate attire for the bar. I was told "Actually, one of the reasons I want to hire you is because you look like what I would expect a computer geek to look like." (I'm paraphrasing, it was a long time...)

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It's also not a bad idea to be rich, and whatever the most desirable gender and ethnicity are for your area, but those things are less actionable than social skills, fitness, and beauty.

beauty is not achievable.

There's a lot of money to be made in convincing people otherwise.

- Plastic surgery: ~$18B in the US in 2019

- Cosmetics: ~$55B in the US in 2019

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Count me in! I don't want to squander my resources on anyone but myself. As I often say, give me death or give me immortality! I am hopeful some crypto billionaires will share the same mindset, and pour resources into anti aging research at the cellular level.

I've got bad news for both of you: you're going to die, and you won't be resurrected. So better live your lives as if every day matters.

Not bad news- I accept that by default, I'm going to lose the game. That's the "give me death" part.

Still that don't mean I won't try the other part, removing everything that could stand between me and my objective.

No kids = no college fund = more money to spend on life extending treatments if they become available

I trust the human creativity will hack death someday. The only question is whether I will be alive to see that day. If I'm not, at least I will have contributed my money to the good fight.

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