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I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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It's not uncommon for potential acquirers to feign interest in a purchase so they can derail your business for months while your competition (their actual investments) pull ahead.

If not derail then just to get a ton of valuable business insight that isn't available publicly. A while ago a large software company dragged us through this process for months, and eventually backed out at the last minute. A short while later they had a complete clone of our service ready for launch.

Have you tried to getting a patent? Does this help in any way?

Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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Could you provide examples of that?

Sure, Amazon does it all the time to small startups. They fly you into Seattle, setup a fancy meeting with strategy teams and M&A, make you run through a pitch deck, explain every aspect of your business. They take diligent notes until they fully understand your inner workings, they tell you thanks, you'll hear from us soon. And nothing happens, 6 months later AWS launches your exact product. Founders need to be extr…

I believe that's also not one but two episodes of Silicon Valley. The second time they believe they've figured out how to avoid it happening to them again.

Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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It's not uncommon for potential acquirers to feign interest in a purchase so they can derail your business for months while your competition (their actual investments) pull ahead.

If not derail then just to get a ton of valuable business insight that isn't available publicly. A while ago a large software company dragged us through this process for months, and eventually backed out at the last minute. A short while later they had a complete clone of our service ready for launch.

This is what I was thinking as I read the article. Is this legally actionable? I'm guessing not, but you probably have a fresh understanding.

Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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It's not uncommon for potential acquirers to feign interest in a purchase so they can derail your business for months while your competition (their actual investments) pull ahead.

Could you provide examples of that?

Jeffrey Kaplan, in his book "Start Up", would talk about how Microsoft would do this in the days when it was particularly powerful.

Think about it this way: You always want to learn about opportunities and potential competitors. The biz dev team may say, hey we should maybe acquire this company, and the product people may say, no this is a good idea but we should copy it. It doesn't have to stem from a sinister intent.

The same can be true of interviews! Sometimes companies interview very senior people as a way of gathering business intelligence. People can be flattered and want to talk about their successes.

Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, Amazon does it all the time to small startups. They fly you into Seattle, setup a fancy meeting with strategy teams and M&A, make you run through a pitch deck, explain every aspect of your business. They take diligent notes until they fully understand your inner workings, they tell you thanks, you'll hear from us soon. And nothing happens, 6 months later AWS launches your exact product. Founders need to be extr…

This is not an example. This is an explanation of how it could happen. Can you share an actual case? Such as, a startup that went through this.

Amazon’s flash sale site, my habit, was launched this way.

Source: I worked for a flash sale company they did this to.

Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, Amazon does it all the time to small startups. They fly you into Seattle, setup a fancy meeting with strategy teams and M&A, make you run through a pitch deck, explain every aspect of your business. They take diligent notes until they fully understand your inner workings, they tell you thanks, you'll hear from us soon. And nothing happens, 6 months later AWS launches your exact product. Founders need to be extr…

Could that mean that if you upload your code to AWS they can steal your software design? I think yes.

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Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not an example. This is an explanation of how it could happen. Can you share an actual case? Such as, a startup that went through this.

Amazon’s flash sale site, my habit, was launched this way. Source: I worked for a flash sale company they did this to.

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Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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This is very painful to hear. I've tried selling my main company to 4 different buyers now... every single time we get past the LOI phase, they see all our financials in plain sight, and there's always some stupid hangup/ghosting/sketchiness exactly like in this article.

Very disappointing, considering how transparent we are up front sending every financial, and there's no real 'discoveries' later that would change their mind. It's just general terrible flakiness.

One guy's excuse was that his brother had put all his money into collateral without his knowledge, and that discovery phase was a waste of 5 months.

This last one, we thought we learned our lesson so we demanded proof of funds, as well as much more thorough checks....... and they just magically ghosted us LITERALLY after I FedExed the signed agreement... so after months and months of due diligience. They change their mind after about 100 confirmations from their lawyers, accountants, financers... and just ghost hours after I send it.

It has been greatly discouraging to me, as the 3 serious attempts to sell have essentially crushed our momentum, and now the company is dying/dead. I won't say that its a direct result of it, but we ran it very conservatively during these times as not to upset anything, and those were the times we needed to be running more aggressively to keep up with competition.

The company is essentially insolvent now, with a large amount of debt. I also made the bad mistake (I was quite young) to originally put the company card on an Amex applied for by me (I had 820 credit at the time). Because of inability to pay back debt on this company, my personal credit is now destroyed.

So.. going from 820 credit, making hundreds of thousands profit per month... to freelancing to pay bills with a 590 credit. Such is the life of an entrepreneur and the brutal lessons one learns along the way.

PS... I found out later our accountant had dementia, and did all our taxes wrong. My biggest advice, have an accountant who is really on point, and accept absolutely nothing less. Don't fall for the illusion of the pain of having to "retrain" someone if you don't think your accountant is 100%. Just find someone who is fucking good, and if they show a red flag, find someone you fully trust. My business partner has also been ruined in the past by incompetent accountants.

Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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One way I've heard the role of product manager described as is a "shit umbrella".

This is applied to managers in general: - Good managers are shit umbrellas - Bad managers are shit funnels

I need this on a motivational poster or something.

Re: I almost sold Baremetrics for $5M

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way I've heard the role of product manager described as is a "shit umbrella".

This is applied to managers in general: - Good managers are shit umbrellas - Bad managers are shit funnels

I couldn't agree more.
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