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In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are essential to a career

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I am very pro-body modification. And it’s affordable to the masses now and safer with non invasive medtech. One day...I hope in my lifetime..we will be able to have implants to download our thoughts, memories and feelings..dare I say..consciousness..or soul..into a chip. Looking at the physical body as a vessel and getting used to the idea that it is merely necessary hardware to our mind is important. I don’t want to…

Count me in! I don't want to squander my resources on anyone but myself. As I often say, give me death or give me immortality! I am hopeful some crypto billionaires will share the same mindset, and pour resources into anti aging research at the cellular level.

I've got bad news for both of you: you're going to die, and you won't be resurrected. So better live your lives as if every day matters.

Re: In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are essential to a career

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> "Daniel, who spoke on the condition that only his first name be published for fear of being outed as old.."

Daniel, I am no genius but if you are reading this, WashingtonPost story with your details hardly makes you anonymous.

- Daniel

- in his late 30s, but he’s 48 years old

- returned from a 10-day trip to Italy’s Amalfi Coast

- journeyed to a yoga retreat and juice cleanse in Bali

- ending a five-year marriage

- shedding 10 pounds of subcutaneous fat several years back

Re: In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are essential to a career

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I'm 57 years old and work about 8 months/year in Silicon Valley (the rest in Tel Aviv) I dye my beard (my head is shaved) and I've had work done on my face. I'm careful to stay in shape, and not be overweight. It makes a big difference in how I'm perceived.

The day I have to dye my beard or get plastic surgery to stay relevant in tech is the day I'll happily retire.

Re: In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are essential to a career

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I'm pretty convinced that the most important thing you can do for your career after achieving basic technical competence is to be more attractive, both physically and socially. The reality is that you're going to have an easier time making connections and getting access to opportunities if you're well-mannered, sociable, and attractive.

Maybe on average across many fields and job positions? But I definitely don't believe this as a universalism. The "catalog chic", gym culture and dieting trend in SV is fairly new. 20 years ago it was graybeard chic. Alan Cox was an icon. Pictures of the Google team from the 2000s are a bunch of poorly kempt nerds. And into today lots of engineering teams don't give a shit about looks and look squarely for competence. Honestly if I see an engineering team of sexy well groomed people it raises at least a bit of skepticism that these people, in addition to driving a culture of being good looking and we'll groomed, might also care about technical excellence. That's not to say that I discriminate. But whole eng teams self selecting to be sexy (and I have company profile links I could post here but I won't) raises questions about where the core emphasis is when hiring.

Re: In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are essential to a career

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One theory is that good looking software engineers aren't software engineers for very long. Why would you get paid shit wages when you can be a VP of telling people what to do? Call it the "jock-ification" of the tech world. It was bad enough when they were in high school, now they've infiltrated the tech world.

> "Call it the "jock-ification" of the tech world. It was bad enough when they were in high school, now they've infiltrated the tech world." The "jock/nerd dichotomy" is a dumb harmful stereotype used by lazy hollywood and television writers. Many of the smartest people I've ever known were also the most athletic. There is NO inverse relationship between physical fitness and intelligence. If anything, there is a posi…

Thank you. Athleticism and social skills are forms of intelligence.

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I’ve worked both on the east coast and in Cali and California is a very different place.

> in Cali and California What's this?

>east coast and in Cali, and California

(or maybe a semicolon. I'm never sure)

Re: In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are essential to a career

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Based on my experience, the headline is right. The money I spent was dwarfed by the extra money I made afterwards. It is just my own experience, but I think it is a cool hack: look the part to get more money.

To give more details, after having studied skin care a bit with the help of google scholar and reddit, I came to the conclusion that wrinkles are multifactorial and due to: - facial fat depletion : https://www.patelplasticsurgery.com/uploads/5/2/8/8/52880409... - change in the collagen structure, with less elasticity, likely purely due to sun damage - gravity pulling the damaged tissue down

For facial fat depletion, there is fat transfer. For the effect of gravity, there is facelifts. Both work wonder.

For changes in the skin structure however, I have tried non fractional CO2 resurfacing, which is said to be much more effective than fraxel. But it did not give drastic results unlike the 2 others.

The article talks about RF microneedling. I wonder if someone here on HN tried, and could comment about the procedure.

I'm thinking about doing that myself next time I travel. Other alternatives are "vampire microneedling", where basically PRP is put on the skin then microneedling is done in the hope that some growth factors will seep though.

The reddit skincare community is wonderful - lots of crazy smart people digging article and testing on themselves, a genuine hacker spirit. I tried one of their suggestions that seemed crazy at the time: acetylsalycilic acid to reduce skin oilyness. It was so simple, so cheap, yet so efficient!

Now I am going to test a skin routine to fix my skin texture: niacin serum in the morning, then sunscreen, and retinol at night, then moisturizer.

It's fun to consider the body has a computer than you can upgrad with surgeries or hack with chemicals applied on the skin!

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Also, be tall, that doesn't hurt.

It's also not a bad idea to be rich, and whatever the most desirable gender and ethnicity are for your area, but those things are less actionable than social skills, fitness, and beauty.

beauty is not achievable.

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> Only the previous week, he says, he returned from a 10-day trip to Italy’s Amalfi Coast. Before that, he boasts, he journeyed to a yoga retreat and juice cleanse in Bali, the perfect setting to unload the stress he absorbs working at a well-known tech company in Silicon Valley. After ending a five-year marriage and shedding 10 pounds of subcutaneous fat several years back — his sun-kissed body now carb- and toxin-f…

One theory is that good looking software engineers aren't software engineers for very long. Why would you get paid shit wages when you can be a VP of telling people what to do? Call it the "jock-ification" of the tech world. It was bad enough when they were in high school, now they've infiltrated the tech world.

>Why would you get paid shit wages

I'm not sure we're working in the same industry / living in the same world.

Re: In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are essential to a career

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80% of male attractiveness comes down having a good haircut and clothes that fit you.

Assuming you're in SF and have a high-paying software job. Find a hair stylist in a mid-range salon who you can actually talk to, show them some pictures of haircuts you like, and let them find something that works. If you find a professional and are OK paying them a bit extra, you'll get good results.

As for "clothes that fit", I have a terrible eye for that, so when I go shopping I just ask a more stylish friend to come with me, or I just ask the shop assistants a lot of questions. Again, they're professionals. They know what works.

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