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Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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augbog wrote: post #37
nkkollaw wrote: post #23

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Women tend to choose jobs that pay less. They're on average more interested in people, so they tend to choose to become nurses, teachers, etc., while men are interested in things and become software developers, engineers, etc. I have no idea why income HAS TO be distributed equally. Unless you want to force women to become software developers..? But why.

I would assume if someone did gap analysis they would factor that in. It isn't about the wholistic are women making more or less than men. Rather it's the equality of are women who are the same role of men making the same. There shouldn't be a difference there.

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Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by earlINmeyerkeg »

vixen99 wrote: post #13
klaudius wrote: post #7

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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/when-young-...

"Perhaps one should not dwell too long, however, on the question of what type of leisure low-skill young men are engaging in. The more important fact remains that leisure is slowly replacing work in their lives, as immigrants replace them in the labor force."

That is probably the one part of the article they really should've made more prominent. Yet they didn't. They hammered it home that videogames and young men not getting married and having 12 kids is the problem.

Maybe culturally getting married is incredibly more time consuming and difficult than it used to be? I mean I'm reading George Orwell's Burmese days and the main character was trying to propose (and the girl wanted him to) within 2 weeks of knowing eachother! Granted it's a book, but that doesn't sound outside the realms of normalcy, especially in Burma during the 1920's where there were like 1/1000 ratio of white person to native.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by danbolt »

phkahler wrote: post #19
deeg wrote: post #3

I find this fairly astounding. The typical stay-at-home parent is the mother and while it's getting closer to parity I don't think it's anywhere near even. For that reason alone I would expect more men in the work force. What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier?

>> What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier? Some are living in their parents basement until they're 30 to 40. It has been hypothesized that with the breakdown of families in the US, men are giving up, and that includes efforts to build a stable foundation for their family. See MGTOW but dont read too much, it can be kind of depressing.

I agree with Esther Perel's thinking[1] that the next century is going to involve a broadening on what society deems a positive life is for straight, cis men. In the same way that we consider it acceptable for women to express themselves or live differently than the gender roles of the past, I think we'll start to do the same for men. I already see this with my millennial or genZ peers.

It's not uncommon to read comments on Hacker News or twitter from men feeling that they seen as less valid for doing less traditional activities[2][3] (eg: caring for children, prioritizing their careers less, being less traditionally forward, etc.) and I think society is going to need to change to acknowledge this better for both men and women.

[1] https://www.psychotherapynetworker.org/blog/details/1594/est...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21775631

[3] https://twitter.com/SpaceCptZemo/status/1215034934319964160

EDIT: Am I allowed to interpret downvotes as "nah i dont want it that way the world is Malthusian"? Nothing would make me happier.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by uncle_j »

astura wrote: post #40
uncle_j wrote: post #22

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Why does it have to be even? Why does it matter? Equal Outcome != Equality of Opportunity. Unfortunately the two are often conflated in an attempt to imply there is some form of discrimination taking place by people with nefarious motives.

The comment you are replying to does not say it has to be even

> The typical stay-at-home parent is the mother and while it's getting closer to parity I don't think it's anywhere near even.

It seems I misread this.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by Impossible »

phkahler wrote: post #19
deeg wrote: post #3

I find this fairly astounding. The typical stay-at-home parent is the mother and while it's getting closer to parity I don't think it's anywhere near even. For that reason alone I would expect more men in the work force. What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier?

>> What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier? Some are living in their parents basement until they're 30 to 40. It has been hypothesized that with the breakdown of families in the US, men are giving up, and that includes efforts to build a stable foundation for their family. See MGTOW but dont read too much, it can be kind of depressing.

Another anecdotal point is I know men that do have families or partners but the woman is the primary or only breadwinner. Sometimes they are active stay at home dads, sometimes they are coasting/given up or in school or working on a startup but in all cases they are financially supported by a woman.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by baddox »

danbolt wrote: post #53
phkahler wrote: post #19

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>> What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier? Some are living in their parents basement until they're 30 to 40. It has been hypothesized that with the breakdown of families in the US, men are giving up, and that includes efforts to build a stable foundation for their family. See MGTOW but dont read too much, it can be kind of depressing.

I agree with Esther Perel's thinking[1] that the next century is going to involve a broadening on what society deems a positive life is for straight, cis men. In the same way that we consider it acceptable for women to express themselves or live differently than the gender roles of the past, I think we'll start to do the same for men. I already see this with my millennial or genZ peers. It's not uncommon to read comm…

I admit that I haven't read much on the subject, but it feels to me that, at least in American society, it has long been considered more acceptable for men to have various social arrangements than for women. My impression is that it's considered far more acceptable for a man to be working and unmarried well past the average marriage age than for a woman. Compare the words "bachelor" and "spinster."

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by WillPostForFood »

watwut wrote: post #38
deeg wrote: post #3

I find this fairly astounding. The typical stay-at-home parent is the mother and while it's getting closer to parity I don't think it's anywhere near even. For that reason alone I would expect more men in the work force. What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier?

People have less children then before and are waaay more likely to go back to work after being stay at home temporary. The stay at home moms might not be that large portion of population.

There are about 9 million stay at home moms. That does seem small to me.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/24/stay-at-hom...

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by watwut »

bitL wrote: post #39
phkahler wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> What are men doing if not working? On disability? Homeless? Retiring earlier? Some are living in their parents basement until they're 30 to 40. It has been hypothesized that with the breakdown of families in the US, men are giving up, and that includes efforts to build a stable foundation for their family. See MGTOW but dont read too much, it can be kind of depressing.

Do you think US is moving towards Japan? I.e. a significant population of herbivore men (60%?) that get no benefit from associating with women, losing this motivational signal and dropping out of society?

There might be also factor of women not getting benefit from associating with men.

You can't assume that all decisions were made by males only.

Re: Women now make up the majority of the U.S. labor force

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Post by danbolt »

baddox wrote: post #56
danbolt wrote: post #53

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I agree with Esther Perel's thinking[1] that the next century is going to involve a broadening on what society deems a positive life is for straight, cis men. In the same way that we consider it acceptable for women to express themselves or live differently than the gender roles of the past, I think we'll start to do the same for men. I already see this with my millennial or genZ peers. It's not uncommon to read comm…

I admit that I haven't read much on the subject, but it feels to me that, at least in American society, it has long been considered more acceptable for men to have various social arrangements than for women. My impression is that it's considered far more acceptable for a man to be working and unmarried well past the average marriage age than for a woman. Compare the words "bachelor" and "spinster."

That's very true. We definitely are more lenient towards people in different ways depending on their gender, and there are a lot of relaxed social expectations that men have compared to women.

Still though, I think there are dimensions of this where this is less true, perhaps in ways that men are expected to seem "confident" or "strong" or "independent" which I think can be stiffing. The typical men's section of a clothing store normalizes a lot more conservative wardrobes compared to women. I wish I had better words to explain it.

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